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    I've just set up 42 in one of my schools, make sure when you create your first 'image' that you don't update it first... or you'll have to manually update + restore every single one from then on... :-|

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom_ View Post
    I've just set up 42 in one of my schools, make sure when you create your first 'image' that you don't update it first... or you'll have to manually update + restore every single one from then on... :-|
    Is the image creation straight forward? I thought you would have an itunes account that somehow links to all ipads and then you sync them all together with something like a parasync or bretford sync trolley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggiep View Post
    Is the image creation straight forward? I thought you would have an itunes account that somehow links to all ipads and then you sync them all together with something like a parasync or bretford sync trolley?
    I just gave one of the iPads to a teacher, told her to go away with it for the week and find some apps that the kids will use, then when she'd set it up how she wanted it I just backed it up in itunes, then plugged in the next one, restored + renamed, plugged in the next etc etc

    We've got a couple of trolleys that hold 32 each, so room for expansion, and with them you can sync 20 at a time. So if they do decide they want x app on them all, it's just a matter of plugging them into your itunes PC and syncing them.

    I used the iphone configuration utility to lock them down a bit, so kids can't access youtube, itunes store or install app's from anywhere else, i couldn't see a way to stop them uninstalling apps though (will just make sure i re-sync once a month). There was also a setting in there that restricts access to apps ages 4+/9+/13+/18+, but i guess that relies on the app developer putting the right age range in.

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    We are thinking of a BYO Ipad solution for pupils. Our thinking is any pupil ipad will be added to wireless network via mac authentication and a password which will be entered for them. This will save us from having to do any management of the device and not dealing with itunes accounts and locking it down etc. Using our smoothwall transparent filter each pupil ipad will be on a filtered internet feed. Pupil ipads will have access via filebrowser to their network folder and via a print server in the vlan to all network printers. This seems like an easier solution than configuring and locking down school bought devices.
    Classroom management will have to deal with brought in images \ videos but that is done anyway for phones etc.
    We are assuming that the ipads will be running nothing nasty via the app store.
    Other netbooks and laptops will have guest access only and only access to Internet again via smoothwall ssl login page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmiller View Post
    We are thinking of a BYO Ipad solution for pupils. Our thinking is any pupil ipad will be added to wireless network via mac authentication and a password which will be entered for them. This will save us from having to do any management of the device and not dealing with itunes accounts and locking it down etc. Using our smoothwall transparent filter each pupil ipad will be on a filtered internet feed. Pupil ipads will have access via filebrowser to their network folder and via a print server in the vlan to all network printers. This seems like an easier solution than configuring and locking down school bought devices.
    Classroom management will have to deal with brought in images \ videos but that is done anyway for phones etc.
    We are assuming that the ipads will be running nothing nasty via the app store.
    Other netbooks and laptops will have guest access only and only access to Internet again via smoothwall ssl login page.
    iPads won't print to "normal" printers, only ones that support Bonjour (unless you're getting around this somehow? If so, please enlighten me!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete10141748 View Post
    You will have to buy each App for every iPad you want it on. You can contact the seller of the app directly, sometimes they will do you a deal for multiple purchases. If you like I can post up a list of all the Apps we put on ours to begin with, it cost around £280 to outfit 30 iPads with what we have.
    Brilliant post, lots of useful info, but just to clarify the above point: How do you buy one app multiple times for each ipad using one itunes account? Once it's purchased for that email address it will just say purchased, so you can't buy it again! Also, where have you found the info stating that you have to buy one copy of each app for each device? I can't seem to find a definitive answer either way, but everything I've read suggests you can buy an app using one itunes account and put it on multiple devices synced to that account.

    This is a useful link, Apple have a site where educational establishments can buy apps in bulk (tax free, with bulk discounts!) then "gift" them to users own itunes account.
    Apple - Education - Volume Purchase Program

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercer77 View Post
    where have you found the info stating that you have to buy one copy of each app for each device? I can't seem to find a definitive answer either way
    Here... https://support.assistiveware.com/in...=kb.page&id=50

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    Ah thanks for that, I finally understand! Single users can sync to as many devices as they like, establishments with multiple users must buy individual licenses. They're completely relying on the honesty of schools though, expecting them to buy multiple codes and then file them away basically unused while you sync your multiple devices to one account. Are they going to do audits of schools to ensure that they have their licenses?

    The more I get my head around ipads, the more I realise that the software is quite unsuited to an educational setting. Apple are obviously keen to push their products to education, I think they really need to think about an educational version of iOS properly suited to schools, with decent teacher controls and more suitable syncing options. Mind you, with the way that schools are snapping up their products, why should it bother them?!

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    Just a quick correction here:

    pete10141748 said:

    Initial setup
    iTunes accounts - I set up 3 email addresses with GMAIL and 3 iTunes accounts, 1 for each set of 10 iPads we have (10 is the most you can assign to one iTunes account).
    This is incorrect. I have over 100 iPads on a single school iTunes account...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaddon View Post
    Just a quick correction here:

    pete10141748 said:



    This is incorrect. I have over 100 iPads on a single school iTunes account...
    Is this easy to set up or does it rely on some hard work?

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    We had an Education specialist from Apple in yesterday, I didn't realise (according to the license agreement) that because Apple don't yet have a volume license program in the UK, we're supposed to be buying Apps once for each iPad... he was well aware schools were breaking it though.

    Also, I was sceptical about using iPads in schools, but the man was right. You shouldn't be sitting down and thinking "now, what can I do with these iPads?" it should be used more as a tool. As a primary school we could be doing a certain theme such as the Romans or the Olympics and the children should be able to pick which tool they would use to create movies, do research, make presentations or whatever. I'll be trialling a few out before we go full hog though.
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    Can anyone clarify how you purchase multiple copies of an app? We have 2 sets of 16 ipads coming, and we are now ok with setting them up, having 1 itunes account and synching them, and using the config utility to lock them down to a certain extent.

    We were then advised to buy the app once on the account which we use, and then buy it as a gift another 15 times for each set, but not claim the gift. This seemed to make sense - we could prove we had purchsed 16 copies. However we have since been advised that you cannot purchase gifts using itunes cards, only with a credit card. Is this the case? - If so with a £500 credit limit on the school credit card, its going to take us months to buy all the apps we need!

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    So, I was just looking something up... and it seems iCloud [such lame names] can sync up to 10 devices. [Apps, music, books, whatever]

    Perhaps, there'll be an business version that has no limit [or a massively big limit.]



    [I'm guessing that syncing is possible if you have an Apple server... If it is disregard what I said.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggiep View Post
    Is this easy to set up or does it rely on some hard work?
    None at all - I have an iMac here with iTunes on it, and I've simply plugged them in and registered them. No issues with that many so far.

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    Apologies, the reason we have ours in sets of of 10 is for the iCloud limit, not the iTunes account synch limit (I will edit my post accordingly should anyone else come along to read it!)


    Quote Originally Posted by steveg View Post
    Can anyone clarify how you purchase multiple copies of an app? We have 2 sets of 16 ipads coming, and we are now ok with setting them up, having 1 itunes account and synching them, and using the config utility to lock them down to a certain extent.

    We were then advised to buy the app once on the account which we use, and then buy it as a gift another 15 times for each set, but not claim the gift. This seemed to make sense - we could prove we had purchsed 16 copies. However we have since been advised that you cannot purchase gifts using itunes cards, only with a credit card. Is this the case? - If so with a £500 credit limit on the school credit card, its going to take us months to buy all the apps we need!

    Steve
    Again I think my post was not clear enough, (I shall edit it) - we have purchased the Apps once for each of the 3 accounts - so paid for 1 App that is then sync'd to 10 iPads. I have no idea how to go about paying for the other 9 the each set, aside from contacting the creator of the App directly and asking if you can buy some "licences" from them, wether that would work or not though who knows! Until Apple fix the issue with better software/mangement there's only so much we can try to do about it!

    Plus, if I have to take what I've spent so far on the Apps and then pay for that again 27 times over, well I shudder to think of the cost - it would make the iPads far more expensive than they are worth imo!
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