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    Apple Configurator + iPad Mini's Silly Question! >>

    Hiya... I've got a couple of questions, which I hope aren't too silly !


    I've connected 30 new Ipad mini's today to a charging trolley and a MacBook Pro, the latter some kindly setup a profile on (supervised)

    1. The iPad mini are showing up in Apple Configurator sequentially 1-30, but how do I know which one is which when I assign one to a user?

    2. I have an option to start a new profile or load the one that was created for us 2 weeks ago. If I now download, install and pay for apps via VPP, will these be deleted each time I load the original profile?
    How can I set it so that the original profiles are loaded, but with newly added apps?


    I new to this, so thanks for your patients and any assistance.

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    If you have a look in the apple configurator preferences there is an option (under the lock screen tab) to display the device (or user) name on the lock screen.

    I have no idea about number 2, sorry.

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    If anyone else can input into this. I would be eternally grateful..

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    @EN4CER:

    Yes the paid apps will be automatically deleted as we found out to our detriment a few weeks back.

    We think that the only way to configure paid for apps is to have a school apple id linked to the school credit card but only purchases of app gift vouchers allowed, each of these gift vouchers comes with a code which you would then enter into the apple configurator before deploying the apps.

    Not done a great deal more as we are only testing different wireless devices at the moment to see which fit the criteria, already the staff are in raptures because they are getting their hands on some new shiney's and they are just like little children at christmas.

    We will see how long the enthusiam lasts especially with the cost and upkeep.

    I have been to many schools where they have implemented IPads and the students are actively fed up of them after 6 months as they become just another paperweight that they just can't be bothered with and they become bored as the lessons are just not engaging enough and the teaching staff don't realise this.

    Good luck

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    @bossman,

    Yes this is what is happening at our place where we have a 30 ipad trolley which is used for investigative purposes so various faculties book them out and see how they go with them in terms of teaching and learning. Some faculties find it better than others and its the same for students, not all are convinced and as you pointed out when the initial euphoria is out of the way the interest and enthusiasm is lost. We are using them in a shared device scenario which is not the strong point of ipad. They are a bit, only a little bit better if offered on a 1:1 basis but for most schools this is not an option financially even with those wonderful leasing and parental contribution schemes.

    The lack of a file management really kills a lot of the functionality and you are really at the mercy of developers in regards to what support they providing to saving work from the app i.e. webdav, email, google drive, skydrive etc. Due to this its difficult for students to produce work and then save it to central place for marking or assessment.

    Ash.

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    @all


    Is it not the case, that if the ipad is assigned to a specific user, once it gets handed back and profile reset via the charging trolley, that the next time the ipad is assigned to that said user, it reloads back to the point that they last had it?

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    @EN4CER:

    I don't think so, I do know that you can setup multiple profiles for different subjects and load these up as and when required, haven't seen anything as to what you have described.

    If you do go down the route of full school deployment then I suggest the full solution of mini mac server which would tag your shares via AD and the mac equivalent with some apple software which is not that expensive, tag that to sync and charge trolly's and you have the option of deploying apps also.

    Quite expensive all round though when you think that there are other tablets due out soon which will be far superior and less costlier than the IPads.

    Every LA has specialised in IPads via employing an advocate in the guise of a teacher who has learnt how to use a couple of applications and is then deemed to be a "Consultant" we had one come round to our school and they didn't have a clue as to how they connected or deployed apps or even how the Apple TV's were to be configured, all we got was a message to have 25 apps installed on 30 IPads in 2 days to accommadate a teaching practice evening after school with an Apple TV to be configured also.

    We had just implemented our wholeschool wireless of which I had 3 weeks notice to research, cost and implement all for the sake of these 30 IPads which were on loan from the LA, implemented the wireless and had the IPads connected and charged with all apps in 4 days which was the most stressful time of my life as the LA had not got a clue or didn't want to get involved, I was given a remit to have the wireless up and running with the IPads connected and full charged for the Monday when the teaching staff came back off their holiday's and then we were given the task of installing the 25 apps before the consultant came in on the Wednesday evening.

    We were offered no help whatsoever from either our SLT nor the LA we just had to get on with it, found it very disturbing as this is the norm I feel in most schools whereupon the teaching staff are given training on how to use the apps and we have to teach ourselves how to do the hard part of configuring and deploying apps to the units and also configuring the firewall to allow some of the apps through to the internet as they all seem to want to connect to Apple Itunes all the time.

    I am not against anything new, I am frustrated at the fact the teaching staff once again get everything they ask for and we are just left to flounder about until we can sort which is not very professional I feel.

    It wouldn't happen in industry though, makes you feel like a second class citizen sometimes and not a valued member of staff.

    Anyway rant over (Chill that man!!!)

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    Bossman said :

    We had just implemented our wholeschool wireless of which I had 3 weeks notice to research, cost and implement all for the sake of these 30 IPads which were on loan from the LA, implemented the wireless and had the IPads connected and charged with all apps in 4 days which was the most stressful time of my life as the LA had not got a clue or didn't want to get involved, I was given a remit to have the wireless up and running with the IPads connected and full charged for the Monday when the teaching staff came back off their holiday's and then we were given the task of installing the 25 apps before the consultant came in on the Wednesday evening.

    I know the feeling mate.. I got 2 weeks and was told the money had to be spent in 1!

    What I need to know really is:

    How can I set it up, that as and when I add VPP apps to the iPads these add to and update the profile they iPads are backed up to when syncing with the trolley?

    What is the point in Assigning Ipads to individual students, if you can't give the iPad back to them at a later date in the same state?

    and

    How can I get users data saved, so they can work on it again and again? Like movies, pictures, docs etc?

    PS - We have a Macbook Pro not a Server IOS!


    If anyone can easily solve the above to problems.. I'd buy that man a pint

    Help....!
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    @EN4CER:

    If you speak to the educational dept of the following:Stormfront are your local Apple experts with retail stores nationwide they maybe able to help you, it will probably mean spending more money which is always the case with Apple products unfortunately.

    I do have the cost of a full solution which will have the bonus of the students being able to save work to their windows shares to be used again when they get the IPads.

    I cannot believe our SLT though as they don't realise how much this will cost long term for a few devices which really are only personal devices not meant to be shared.

    On their heads be it as all I can do is make them work to a certain degree if they are not prepared to spend the money.

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    There are a few apps that allows you to save work but quite how they work i don't know. Mobile echo was one of the apps recommended if we wanted to get the files saved to their own user areas and sync with AD etc. It is a paid product, not done too much research on it.

    Ash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spc-rocket View Post
    There are a few apps that allows you to save work but quite how they work i don't know. Mobile echo was one of the apps recommended if we wanted to get the files saved to their own user areas and sync with AD etc. It is a paid product, not done too much research on it.

    Ash.

    Firstly, I don't know why people keep banging on about having to use a Mac Server to deploy apps to iPads.

    You don't need a Mac server UNLESS you want to use OS X Server profile manager to manage iPads OR you want to use OS X Server webDAV Services to save work to shares on the server.

    So what tools would I use to deploy apps and retain ownership of apps - Apple Configurator on any Mac with iPads in Supervise mode

    But I want to manage devices across the wireless - Use a web based MDM solution together with configurator, if you try to deploy apps via MDM you will lose ownership of the apps.

    How do I save work and import files to the iPads - either;

    Mac Mini Server to set up webDAV shares, requires APNS to be set up and signed CA
    Existing Windows Server to set up webDAV shares
    Foldr (link below)- Connects all your existing AD users to webDAV, users will use their existing AD credentials to log in to the same home dir as AD

    Foldr | Remote File Access From Any Device & Workflow Solution For iOS from Minnow IT

    All the above solutions let apps that have webDAV built into them copy work from the iPads to the shares, if the app doesn't have webDAV feature then you would a utility app such as iFiles to move the data the copy it via webDAV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bossman View Post
    @EN4CER:

    If you speak to the educational dept of the following:Stormfront are your local Apple experts with retail stores nationwide they maybe able to help you,
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean-OC04 View Post
    Foldr (link below)- Connects all your existing AD users to webDAV, users will use their existing AD credentials to log in to the same home dir as AD

    Foldr | Remote File Access From Any Device & Workflow Solution For iOS from Minnow IT

    All the above solutions let apps that have webDAV built into them copy work from the iPads to the shares, if the app doesn't have webDAV feature then you would a utility app such as iFiles to move the data the copy it via webDAV.
    Apologies for bringing back an older thread but wanted to politely correct the statement above.

    Foldr does not simply 'connect AD users to WebDAV'. In fact the Foldr iOS app does not use WebDAV at all. As well as the usual uploading and downloading of files from network shares, it will accept the output of any other app that supports the 'Open In Another App' feature meaning you can effectively save content from other apps to your network also.

    So, you do not need WebDAV, iFiles or any other utility to move files on or off the network as suggested.

    Thanks

    Minnow IT

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