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    Pros and Cons of teachers using laptops or iPAD's in school...

    A list I am working on which I'd like to share for comments and discussion:

    Specifically when comparing the use of school owned laptops v's school owned iPAD's for use in classrooms by teaching staff:

    Access to files stored on the network:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – NO – unless using some 3rd party app such as dropbox.


    Connectivity to classroom data projectors:
    Laptops – YES (although most rooms already are setup for this with a fixed PC)
    iPAD’s – NO. Additional expense required for installation of Apple TV, data projector must have HDMI input.


    Connectivity to network and standalone printers:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – NO


    Ability to copy files off using USB drives:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – NO


    Much greater storage capacity:
    Laptops – upto 1000 Gb on a laptops hard disk
    iPAD’s – maximum storage on an iPAD is 64 Gb.


    Flash based websites:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – NO


    Theft risk:
    Laptops – bulkier and less desirable to thieves:
    iPAD’s – smaller, desirable device with higher theft risk.


    CentralManagement tools in place:
    Laptops – YES – all windows based OS’s fully manged and secured. IT staff with +15 years experience of such
    iPAD’s – NO – iPAD’s by design are not shared and not used in a locked down corporate environment.


    Multi-user and shareable device:
    Laptops – YES – users logging on to the network will have access to their own H:\ drive etc.
    iPAD’s – NO – no logon required.


    Instant On:
    Laptops –NO
    iPAD’s – YES


    Touchscreen:
    Laptops –NO
    iPAD’s – YES


    Portability:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – YES – though more so than a larger laptop.

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    Connect to a projector : Yes
    Ipad: yes with an adapter or whole other box, Apple TV designed for home networks and enforcing a substandard insecure network setup

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    Touchscreen:
    Laptops –YES
    iPAD’s – YES

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    You can print from ipads to HP Laserjet CM1415's - they just auto detect if one's on the network

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennysarmy View Post
    Instant On:
    Laptops –NO
    iPAD’s – YES
    Not quite correct:
    Instant Resume from Sleep:
    laptop: no but not bad esp with SSD
    iPad: yes

    Cold boot time is still noticacble:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom_ View Post
    You can print from ipads to HP Laserjet CM1415's - they just auto detect if one's on the network
    Thanks - but not applicable in our current setup

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    Access to files stored on the network:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – NO – unless using some 3rd party app such as dropbox.
    Not entirely correct. You can use WebDAV to gain access to network resources.

    Connectivity to classroom data projectors:
    Laptops – YES (although most rooms already are setup for this with a fixed PC)
    iPAD’s – NO. Additional expense required for installation of Apple TV, data projector must have HDMI input.
    A tough one, we are looking at AirServer - The game console for Mac/PC has arrived or Reflection.app - AirPlay mirroring to your Mac or PC, wirelessly. as a work around.

    Connectivity to network and standalone printers:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – NO
    Again not entirely correct. Papercut would allow printing to any printer. OS X Server includes an AirPrint server AFIAR. And some wireless HP printers have AirPrint built into them.

    Ability to copy files off using USB drives:
    Laptops – YES
    iPAD’s – NO


    Much greater storage capacity:
    Laptops – upto 1000 Gb on a laptops hard disk
    iPAD’s – maximum storage on an iPAD is 64 Gb.
    This is a metholodgy/paradigm difference. iDevices are all about Cloud/Network storage so in theory USB/Local is not needed.

    CentralManagement tools in place:
    Laptops – YES – all windows based OS’s fully manged and secured. IT staff with +15 years experience of such
    iPAD’s – NO – iPAD’s by design are not shared and not used in a locked down corporate environment.
    Again, incorrect: Mobile device management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Apple offer their own free solution for managing upto 30 iPads at a time.

    Multi-user and shareable device:
    Laptops – YES – users logging on to the network will have access to their own H:\ drive etc.
    iPAD’s – NO – no logon required.
    Again, this is a question of paradigm shift and changing working metholodgy - cloud storage. Also, I believe, using a MDM you can set up multiple users and have a logon screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    Not quite correct:
    Instant Resume from Sleep:
    laptop: no but not bad esp with SSD
    iPad: yes

    Cold boot time is still noticacble:
    Good point re: sleep mode..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    Not entirely correct. You can use WebDAV to gain access to network resources.


    A tough one, we are looking at AirServer - The game console for Mac/PC has arrived or Reflection.app - AirPlay mirroring to your Mac or PC, wirelessly. as a work around.


    Again not entirely correct. Papercut would allow printing to any printer. OS X Server includes an AirPrint server AFIAR. And some wireless HP printers have AirPrint built into them.



    This is a metholodgy/paradigm difference. iDevices are all about Cloud/Network storage so in theory USB/Local is not needed.


    Again, incorrect: Mobile device management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Apple offer their own free solution for managing upto 30 iPads at a time.



    Again, this is a question of paradigm shift and changing working metholodgy - cloud storage. Also, I believe, using a MDM you can set up multiple users and have a logon screen.
    Thanks for taking the time to reply I appreciate it...

    I think what your response outlines is that yes of course things are possible with additional training, expense and burden on the support staffs time....and for what gain?
    What real benefit is there to the teacher in front of the class to use an iPAD rather than a PC or laptop....

    I appreciate it's lovely for them to be able to take the device home and use it to play angry birds on their sofas but I am talking purely about the advantages to teachers in the classroom....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennysarmy View Post
    I am talking purely about the advantages to teachers in the classroom....

    They can play angry birds in the classroom too :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennysarmy View Post
    Thanks for taking the time to reply I appreciate it...
    My pleasure

    I think what your response outlines is that yes of course things are possible with additional training, expense and burden on the support staffs time....and for what gain?
    What real benefit is there to the teacher in front of the class to use an iPAD rather than a PC or laptop....
    Ahh, start from the negative. Why not start from the positive? Buy one, give to a teacher and ask them a week later - "how did you use it?". We have bought 10, one for each department, which we are distributing as a trial just to see if/how they can use them.

    I have my own ideas, but I'm an evangelist (I'll happily admit my bias):

    We have staff asking for slates to go with their IWB's as near £150-£200 ago. Not far off the price of an entry level iPad with a VNC viewer to the laptop?

    You can IWB apps for an iPad. An iPad is 1/3 the cost of a Smart Board.

    What about using the webcamera as document scanner or, with AppleTV/AirServer, as a document visuliser.

    And that's just putting them in a teachers hands, we haven't even started looking what can be done if the teacher handed the device to a pupil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    My pleasure



    Ahh, start from the negative. Why not start from the positive? Buy one, give to a teacher and ask them a week later - "how did you use it?". We have bought 10, one for each department, which we are distributing as a trial just to see if/how they can use them.

    I have my own ideas, but I'm an evangelist (I'll happily admit my bias):

    We have staff asking for slates to go with their IWB's as near £150-£200 ago. Not far off the price of an entry level iPad with a VNC viewer to the laptop?

    You can IWB apps for an iPad. An iPad is 1/3 the cost of a Smart Board.

    What about using the webcamera as document scanner or, with AppleTV/AirServer, as a document visuliser.

    And that's just putting them in a teachers hands, we haven't even started looking what can be done if the teacher handed the device to a pupil.
    Yea, the test and justify method is good but if there are fundamental flaws that prevent a large amount of its usage - NO FLASH or full java - for all of those free little edu apps that people have already found and are using. Why not start with something that can at least meet the basic requirements first like an old school Android tablet that still supported flash or a Windows 8 tablet that does everything that a laptop did and more. We can even project wirelessly to our Epson stuff without any additional hardware or just use the HDMI port
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    - Nobody uses flash anymore on websites.
    - Ipad has a perfectly good VGA adapter. We use them all the time, its no problem at all connecting to projectors. Infact I would say its easier
    - Quicker registration with Emerge
    - No maintance required for ipads. We have a fair few and i've never had to "fix" or "reinstall" them. They just work.

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    maintenance.

    A laptop can be taken a part and parts replaced if need be (or improved) easily, where iPads to have anything repaired needs the iPad sent back for fixing or reseting on a computer for a software problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    - Nobody uses flash anymore on websites.
    Rubbish, readingeggs.com, mathlettics, all those other edu apps that are out there that will never be upgraded, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    - Ipad has a perfectly good VGA adapter. We use them all the time, its no problem at all connecting to projectors. Infact I would say its easier
    As an added extra, just like everything else in apple land
    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    - Quicker registration with Emerge
    Probably, no clue but I assume this is down to both software support and the sleep model of the ipads, a newer W8 laptop/tablet in sleep mode will probably be comparable if there is software support.
    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    - No maintance required for ipads. We have a fair few and i've never had to "fix" or "reinstall" them. They just work.
    No available fixes either, they break and your stuffed, they must be different to the Macs, I have tonnes of support calls to get stuff working on a mac or setup/repair email etc on iStuff. They are not as intuitive as some people think and they do break.

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