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    There are a lot of exciting things coming from those guys over the coming months

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    The behaviour / achievements app popped up for upgrade yesterday, so that's live now.

    I asked about linking to AD, but as i thought, it's not easy, and would involve, storing / sending the passwords. The locally used password is used to encrypt / decrypt the data on the device.

    You could match logins to whatever you use in SIMS, and possibly even get the user to come and enter the password for first time. They could make it match if they wish. I don't know many people that enforce changing of SIMS passwords, unless it's through trusted authentication.

    Another recommendation is to get users to add a passcode lock on the device, especially if it's going to be used off site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    The behaviour / achievements app popped up for upgrade yesterday, so that's live now.

    I asked about linking to AD, but as i thought, it's not easy, and would involve, storing / sending the passwords. The locally used password is used to encrypt / decrypt the data on the device.

    You could match logins to whatever you use in SIMS, and possibly even get the user to come and enter the password for first time. They could make it match if they wish. I don't know many people that enforce changing of SIMS passwords, unless it's through trusted authentication.

    Another recommendation is to get users to add a passcode lock on the device, especially if it's going to be used off site.
    Hasn't show up on the UK app store yet.... (if we are talking about emerge HD)

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    @vikpaw other people have managed getting cached AD credentials, personally i think its lazy development.

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    I don't mind so much about the lack of AD integration. But having to:

    - Load the loggging app
    - Get the person to pop over with an ipad
    - Get the person to type in an IP, then their user/pass
    - Tell the user that the error message genenerated is a "good thing" because now you can see it on the server
    - Look at logging app to copy and paste random long line
    - shorten line in text editor to find out the iPads UDID
    - Add new user to Emerge Admin app
    - Find out password by asking user
    - Assign them Initials in Sims
    - Add new device
    - Add GUID of device
    - Assign user to device
    - Get user to log in again
    - Explain to user that they now need to create and remember a pin code

    Is a bit long winded to setup a simple iPad!!!
    Last edited by zag; 11th July 2012 at 09:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmay View Post
    Hasn't show up on the UK app store yet.... (if we are talking about emerge HD)
    Maybe HD is still being updated / approved. It was my phone that i got an update for last night.

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    What on earth is all that for?

    Tell user to download app to device then give to you.
    Email UDID to yourself using whatever built in is configured to email or copy value and use web. (Click settings then About Emerge).
    Copy emailed UDID into Groupcall Emerge management under a new device.
    Add user to Groupcall Emerge management and link to SIMS account. You specify password
    Assign user to device.

    Done.
    Or get them in to specify the password.

    Optional: Explain how they need to make a pin, and also enter the password if they have been away from app for too long. show them all the funky options.

    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    I don't mind so much about the lack of AD integration. But having to:

    - Load the loggging app
    - Get the person to pop over with an ipad
    - Get the person to type in an IP, then their user/pass
    - Tell the user that the error message genenerated is a "good thing" because now you can see it on the server
    - Look at logging app to copy and paste random long line
    - shorten line in text editor to find out the iPads UDID
    - Add new user to Emerge Admin app
    - Find out password by asking user
    - Assign them Initials in Sims
    - Add new device
    - Add GUID of device
    - Assign user to device
    - Get user to log in again
    - Explain to user that they now need to create and remember a pin code

    Is a bit long winded to setup a simple iPad!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    @vikpaw other people have managed getting cached AD credentials, personally i think its lazy development.
    I know, was just reporting back. Yes it would be useful, but i guess it's an extra level of complexity. I think it works on the basis that the system at either ends knows the password, so it's like the shared key. It's not easily replaced with the AD password, as you'd actually need to read it and know it. I guess it would take a big change to how the system work.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmay View Post
    Hasn't show up on the UK app store yet.... (if we are talking about emerge HD)
    From the newsletter that just went out:

    Please note: This release is only currently available for schools using SIMS with the native iPod and iPhone version but will be available for the iPad HD and Android versions soon. You can run the iPhone version of Emerge on an iPad to take advantage of the new features in the interim.

    We would like to roll out the new version to some schools before the end of term, so if you would like to be one of them, please let us know by replying to this email and we will be in contact with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    ah its a website? hmm i would like an app really. That way we can download the content and take registers offline and sync back when there is a connection.
    Surely a website is better so it can be used on any device?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblacksheep View Post
    Surely a website is better so it can be used on any device?
    We will be using a set of school aproved devices. Download the content for offline usage is something we want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblacksheep View Post
    Surely a website is better so it can be used on any device?
    Not really..... Using simplified mobile site versions on devices is a horrible "old school" way of doing things. Even with the quickest SSD webserver you are still looking at huge lag. Not to mention the ease of use of logging in and using the device offline.

    Once you start swiping, tapping and using all the extra instant features of the app you will understand. Staff have commented on how natural and easy it is to use.

    Have a test out with the Emerge App on an iphone and you will see what I mean, its amazing compared to web solutions. It works on Android as well now.

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    Zag, have you even tried WebFolder mobile or WebFolder SD?

    I've tried the Emerge App alongsde our "old" web technology.. and at the time saw no appreciable difference.
    The iPad version, which IIRC is the one that "would" be used here, is the full featured product that is used for the desktop. A few tweaks were needed for removal of right click functions etc. but othersie its the same product.
    Please don't consign Web development to the annals of history.. Don't forget Windows 8 and HTML 5 are all about Web Development as "apps"...

    But, don't want to muddy FN's thread with arguments about the efficacy of various technology models

    ps. Double post above I think...

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    We have both so I feel free to comment. Apps are what have driven the iPad & Android devices to become super successful. Apps win everytime over browsers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilNeal View Post
    We have both so I feel free to comment. Apps are what have driven the iPad & Android devices to become super successful. Apps win everytime over browsers.
    Appsolutely

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    I had a look at all the main web server products from bromcom, tasc, SLG and a few others while we were looking at the options for taking registers on mobile devices.

    We went with Groupcall because they seemed to be the only one investing in iPad Apps (which is what we use in our school). And specifically an app that concentrated on what teachers wanted (Registers, pupil info and timetables).

    I just don't understand the reason companies are not writing mobile apps. Anyone can write an ipad app these days with the correct backend API. Having users able to update an app on the Itunes store themselves is so nice from our point of view as systems administrators. Let alone all the other advantages listed above. 50% of our teachers also have an iphone which is an amazing starting base

    Basically our choice was made because we wanted an app, and we were prepared to pay a premium for that.

    Saying all that, I can't wait to see what HTML5 will bring in terms of converging the two.



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