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    CMIS Experience

    What's the best way to get experience with CMIS? I've been seeing a fair few jobs cropping up round here for CMIS admins but can't really apply for them if I don't know how to use it. If learning SIMS is anything to go by...

    That and specialising in just one MIS package feels like it'd narrow my options, I'd like to branch out a bit more with my knowledge.

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    Don't let lack of experience put you off applying; I'd never even heard of SIMS before I applied for my current job as a data manager! Also, googling returned nothing but page upon page of psycho fan sites of the game!

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    Yeah if you look for SIMS on Google you have to add the .net bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    Yeah if you look for SIMS on Google you have to add the .net bit
    I know that now lol, but in the week running up to my interview it was a nightmare!

    OT: Do you know anybody working in a CMIS school where you could go and use it for a couple of hours?

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    Are you coming up to the North Conference? If you are I am happy to give you a talk on it as I'm a CMIS user of now eer hidious numbers of years (were heading for double figures!! Although, I would say that as much as I admire your urge to learn, the life of CMIS will start fading over the next 5 - 7 years as Progresso takes over as its replacement as that will be the replacement for it and its a completely different kettle of fish.

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    Hi There,

    Nice to see people taking an interest. John's the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael2k6 View Post
    Hi There,

    Nice to see people taking an interest. John's the man.

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    Aww thanks Mic and when I'm not the man he is But always happy to discuss with people and show it off, I did @Soulfish a demo at BETT hotel one night of my Demo Database on my netbook and he can vouch that its worth seeing, and will agree its different to Sims in both good and bad ways from a Sims users view, just like I was at a Sims school and felt that Sims was very backwards compared to Serco
    Last edited by john; 19th May 2011 at 10:44 PM. Reason: clarfied my database was my dummy one not my actual real live one!

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    Will be at the conference, netbook in hand (though that runs Linux now)

    Thanks John!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    What's the best way to get experience with CMIS? I've been seeing a fair few jobs cropping up round here for CMIS admins but can't really apply for them if I don't know how to use it. If learning SIMS is anything to go by...
    The *BEST* way is hands on in the school you are going to work for :-). They do have a support site which if you could get access to, would be illuminating to read through.

    If someone was applying here (we use CMIS) I'd certainly rank someone with SIMS experience over no experience at all. The core concepts are much the same and in the most important aspect - getting information from the data, each school operates in individual ways that will need to be learned on the job regardless of whether someone knows the MIS itself.

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    Get a job with Serco, on their support team. They hire people who dont necessarily know the software to begin with but they soon learn. Thats how I picked up *most* my knowledge. Now I'm in my third Data Manager job. By the way when I interviewed for this job just over a year ago, 9 candidates were called for interview, only myself and one other were experienced CMIS users and there was only 3 of us I believe who had worked in a school before!

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    I met our new headteacher today who is starting next term. Turns out she comes from a Facility school and I think she likes it. Could be some interesting convos next term.

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    You don't need your Netbook Its all installed on mine (you will have to remind me closer to the time to make sure i've got the latest release on it and the right database as i must have about 10 different ones now!)

    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    Will be at the conference, netbook in hand (though that runs Linux now)

    Thanks John!

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    It's for note taking and runs an out of date copy of Linux (blasted thing won't update from the repository). Hook it up to SkyDrive and type away, annoyingly I can't fit a satellite SIMS install on there with the test database.

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    As has been said, experience is the best way to learn, but failing that you have to know data, know MIS; and SIMS is as good a place as any. A while back a few old friends kept recommending CMIS jobs to me, saying it would be so easy to learn as i had a good grounding with SIMS.

    Picking up a new interface / way of working should be nothing special for someone like yourself, you know schools, you know teachers, management, data requirements, how assessments work these are the key things that joe bloggs on the street wont understand. Clicking here instead of there will be easy to learn, the same way we cope with changes from one version of Office to the next.

    One thing that i think would strongly help you, and you might already have tried if you're into tinkering with SIMS [Test server of course! :P] is SQL, as i understand you have a lot more access to the back end in CMIS, and to get the reports you want, having a grounding in SQL basics would be useful. You can do this now by just tinkering with a test server.

    By John a few glasses of wine, for the inside edge, plus just browse through for CMIS tagged threads and you can see the issues people come up against too.

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    I was running through W3Schools' SQL tutorials and decided why not, fired up SQL Server Management Studio and had a crack on my test server. I have no idea how the databases are related to try the JOIN command yet, but I managed to extract student details. SQL is pretty easy!

    I daren't try to write back though or I'll brick it.

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