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    To be completely honest, the entire academy conversion process is more complex than it needs to be. Thousands of man-hours have to go into the process for each school.

    Not to mention, we found an awful lot of people involved had no idea about the process - especially at the LEA level, leading to delays and irritation for us.

    I think the DfE should have been more robust in designing the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    KB109213
    I'll take a look at that on Monday, can't login at home - can never remember my supportnet password!

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I'll take a look at that on Monday, can't login at home - can never remember my supportnet password!
    reset it to be your EG password, only a mug would lose that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    reset it to be your EG password, only a mug would lose that!
    Would I really want Capita to have access to such an important password?

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Would I really want Capita to have access to such an important password?
    I'm pretty sure they are scrupulous enough to store them securely and encrypted {and not reversible!}...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    I'm pretty sure they are scrupulous enough to store them securely and encrypted {and not reversible!}...
    You'd think that about lots of companies, but you never know... Sony comes to mind...

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    So, for those less "in touch" - The LA buys the Sims licences for schools in its area. School A becomes Academy A. As Academy A they have to buy their own licence. The LA now has a licence that isn't being used. Do they

    a) throw it in the bin cause it was bought for School A that doesn't exist anymore
    b) sell it back to Capita
    c) re-use it when new School Z comes to them to for support.

    If a) why can't they sell it on to Academy A. Sorry if that seems like a simplistic senario.

    Answers on a postcard.

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    When that happens they sell back to capita for the same rate they paid for it....

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    Currently it sits around doing nothing until a new LA "school" is opened. No annual maintenance paid etc.

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    6 month grace & DfE-Buying Solutions Framework Tender

    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    I'm not sure about 12months or longer grace. Then whatever the costs were are being burdened by the supplier with no guarantee that the school will stay with them.
    I just think they should be reasonable and fair, which they don't appear to be.
    I don't think the duress is necessarily from the supplier, but the process as a whole on the senior management, board of governors, it dept. to just make a decision.
    Does anyone know the costs being charged by other suppliers, didn't it say somewhere RM is not charging?
    Vik,

    Our suggestion was 6 to 12 month grace. In fact it can be as low as 6 months and coincide with DfE-Buying Solutions' forthcoming Framework OJEU Tender for MIS which should be running by end of 2011. Schools/academies can utilise this Framework to procure their new MIS Software whether staying same supplier or change.

    I assume members have seen DfE's notice: Information Management and Learning Services framework - The Department for Education

    More importantly, if the MIS in use is 'good value for money' then the schools will stay with incumbent supplier in 6 months time anyway. It cannot be fairer than this. A short delay of 6 month will not prejudice the supplier other than delay in cash. Suppliers with large user base has the least to complain on this account!

    We are daily in contact with schools. The message we are getting is very consistent - they have 1001 things to do in changing to become an academy and MIS is one thing that they rather did not touch for the time being! However they are confronting with a licence fee MIS and at this juncture schools are finding this far from helpful. Hence our reference that schools are facing to make a decision on MIS under duress.

    From TES article (see below) we assume DfE is alerted to the situation and will make a provision in the procurement framework for schools converting to academy.

    The other information you sought, you will find in the recent two TES editions as follows:

    DfE seeks to break firm's stranglehold on back-office IT - News - TES Connect

    IT company accused of 'excessive' profits - News - TES Connect
    Last edited by BromcomPublicRelations; 15th June 2011 at 02:36 PM.

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    @BromcomPublicRelations - Can you confirm what you meant by a MIS? Does this include the finance package? Does this include the VLE? Or any other additional modules?

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    Conundrum: What about Managed Services?

    So all these schools have been through BSF in recent years and have managed service providers. These have BSF contracts for 5 or 10 years whereby the service provider supplies SIMS and SIMS support.

    Then one of them becomes an academy. It now has to pay Capita 25k even though it is still paying for SIMS via the managed service contract, and in fact cannot take the upgrades/ support etc from Capita Direct which it gets for it's 25k because it is not allowed to touch the servers - they may not even be in the school...

    How does that work then?

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    Can BSF schools go Academy? Anyone know if any of them have done this?

    If a school has license directly with Capita, not via the LA, it would be transferred (ie Capita would replace School with Academy) for 200 notes. I would image however the contract is void when they become an Academy, depends on the contract really. Be interesting

    PS: Not seen any quotes for 25k... yet, are they buy the entire of Capita lunch or something? For that sort of money I would want @PhilNeal will come down and personally do it for that sort of money

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    Lunch

    "Can BSF schools go Academy? Anyone know if any of them have done this?"
    Oh yes.
    Could we maybe have some dim sum as well? And obviously proper deserts like bannoffee pie and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Can BSF schools go Academy? Anyone know if any of them have done this?
    They can and have and also Academies can go to BSF.



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