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MIS Systems Thread, Discover in Technical; Originally Posted by vikpaw Can someone confirm that it uses a separate database, or was that just the field trial? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    Can someone confirm that it uses a separate database, or was that just the field trial?
    Still installs a separate database - so you'll end up with:

    SIMS
    FMS
    SOLUS3 (I forget the currently forced name)
    Discover

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    Great!
    What's the backup procedure, does it have it's own dbattach too?
    Implications of separate DB...? Can it be installed on its own server / separate instance?
    What different access levels can you grant or is it all linked to the sims groups...?

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    During the installation it does ask which instance to attach the Discover DB, and considering it uses local Windows user accounts to access SIMS (as a trusted SIMS account), I would hazard a guess that you can install the DB into a different instance. Which will be a real plus for those who use SQL Express.

    Don't know if DBAttach is used or not. Don't know about access levels yet (haven't looked).

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    You don't use DBattach to add the database, you can however use DBAttach to backup the database. You can use just SIMS (SQL) authentication. You can install the Discover database on another server\instance.

    I believe if you install two SQL2008 Express instances, you still end up with 1GB RAM for the data (+ a bit for the SQL overhead), not 1GB per instance.


    The following user roles can specify and amend the
    General Settings page in the Discover SIMS Configuration utility:
    Senior Management Team members
    School Administrators
    Administration Assistants
    System Managers.

    The following user roles can initiate the Transfer process from the Discover SIMS Configuration utility:
    Senior Management Team members
    School Administrators
    Administration Assistants
    Assessment Coordinators
    System Managers.

    The following user roles can add and amend aspects, result sets and Assessment graph parameters in the
    Selected Aspects, Selected Result Sets and Assessment Graphs pages in the Discover SIMS Configuration utility:
    Senior Management Team members
    Assessment Coordinators


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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
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    I believe if you install two SQL2008 Express instances, you still end up with 1GB RAM for the data (+ a bit for the SQL overhead), not 1GB per instance.
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    I'm pretty sure it's a per instance limitation for the Express version. Each instance, up to 16 per server, can use 1CPU [thread], 1GB RAM and 4GB Storage. Not that MS tell you this.

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    Given up on it, unknown error when trying to log on to Discover which is useful.

    It doesn't say what windows permissions the local users that it tells you to create should have... I have them as just users.

    Like the new search bar function...the drop down is from the 90s but it works a treat

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    Did you transfer the data? I couldn't get logged on till I manually transferred the data. No helpful error message.

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    I can't log into the configuration utility. I have tried the local users I created, Sims users, domain users, nothing lets me log in.

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    The configuration utility doesn't ask me for a login, it just opens straight up. The only thing that asks for a login (when it's all up and running) is if I launch Discover from outside SIMS. Then it's just the SIMS UN & PW.
    Last edited by NorthernSands; 22nd March 2011 at 11:27 AM. Reason: Typo!

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    Just in case Users missed it, this is from SupportNet:-

    SIMS Discover Update

    I am please to confirm that we are still planning to make SIMS Discover available on the 12th April. This is assuming that it passes it's testing.
    There has been a good uptake of the SIMS Discover Beta with 120 downloads. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all those people that are currently testing the Beta version for us.
    A full set of documentation will be available with the release and we have produced a Discover FAQ document.
    The FAQ document is available now on Resource Number 17846.

    Posted: 30th March 2011 by Chris Sherwood

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    Thanks for that, Sivadam.

    I love FAQs about technical stuff, written by somebody who is either non-technical themselves, or doesn't know how to write techie stuff for non techies:
    Will Discover run on any laptop or PC?
    No, it requires a 2Gb PC with a separate graphics chip or a graphics card.
    2 Gigabit? I'm sure that's actually meant to be 2GB (GigaByte, world of difference there), and I'm also sure that's refering to the amount of RAM that said PC/laptop needs, rather than, say, the HDD size. That answer raises more questions than it answers.

    Still, at least they've lowered the RAM required by half.

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    IT'S OUT AND AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD

    GO FORTH AND PROPAGATE.

    Just be warned there is a recommendation to install a patch (15588) to ensure data is clean.

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    For anyone that was testing or is using it can you report back how much extra strain this puts on the DB? Ours is absolutely chugging as it is (reports taking an age, registers timing out) so I don't really want to add this if it adds a whole lot more load. We have new hardware in the plan to try and mask the problem but that isn't going to be this week!

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    @TechMonkey - it's a separate db, so in theory i think you can put it on a different machine, at least different instance. Not sure how the two communicate. I wouldn't add anything until you get the house in order first, else you're just throwing another variable in there unnecessarily.

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    That's an interesting point, Vik, re. putting the Discover DB on a different server. I guess it could even run on SQL Express?! Having gone through the installation for the beta, I see no reason why that couldn't be the case.

    As far as I can tell, Discover communicates with SIMS through local user accounts that are 'trusted' in SIMS, much like GroupCall etc do.

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