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MIS Systems Thread, BECTA reports on School MIS and value for money 2010 in Technical; Originally Posted by localzuk Then you'd be wrong. Mighty bold statement there, one I think we'll have to agree to ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Then you'd be wrong.
    Mighty bold statement there, one I think we'll have to agree to disagree on. My point of view is not flawed, just as yours is not, it is just different...

    All I am saying is that in my experience, technology seems to rule over the people, and it is not just in the training, but in the confidence of use. You can't buy that. Obviously you have worked with some good staff, and I have too. But I have also worked with a lot of staff who on not just MISs are difficult to work with when it comes to change, even properly handled, and this is ALWAYS overlooked.

    Back to the original point, if this needs to be reviewed every year: Ok so if you have decided to move from MIS A to MIS B. You probably have a long period of consultation, staggered change over and trial periods, training etc etc, taking maybe month or years (well suggested by Vik). Each year you need to conduct a thorough review of if this is giving the best ROI. MIS A now, after 1 year, had a whole load of new features, operability, pricing structure. What happens?

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    i have to agree with localz on this - the underlying system is key, and if the staff / users don't see the importance of that, then it's our job to inform. who best to educate the management on the VfM of the MIS than the techs involved with it. Yes usability and end function are important too, but the problems that 'we' face everyday, interfacing to other systems being an example end up being not good value for money as we need to spend extra time / money on third party systems or develop our own workarounds.

    As for what do you do if things change then you have to take a hit, because lets face it, it's unlikely. if you make a well informed decision and put in a 3 year plan to change, then it wont be value for money to go back on that decision after a year, you have to follow through on the benefits derived initially. Another school that didn't make the change when 'you' did, could make a different choice based on the market after that one year.

    If we get to a state that there is enough competition and the different providers are making changes that are appealing to use then that's a good thing. It should after some time get to the point one would hope (albeit in vain) that it's easier to transition from one MIS to another because there are simple ports set up. Afterall the underlying data is the same isn't...?

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    I see this report has made the latest Private Eye (reading on train ATM), which goes into detail about costs involved with SIMS. Interesting reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    I see this report has made the latest Private Eye (reading on train ATM), which goes into detail about costs involved with SIMS. Interesting reading.
    Hmm... a trip to the newsagents for me this afternoon then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    I see this report has made the latest Private Eye (reading on train ATM), which goes into detail about costs involved with SIMS. Interesting reading.
    Can someone please sum up this for me? Far as I care, Capita make (real) money on Local Government not schools. SIMS is cheap.

    Capita is a frequent target of the satirical magazine Private Eye due to its alleged record of incompetence and impropriety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Can someone please sum up this for me? Far as I care, Capita make (real) money on Local Government not schools. SIMS is cheap.
    If a school decides to move away from SIMS can't they reclaim the money the LEA have spent on their behalf in buying in SIMS, that would seem fair to me?

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    Why would anybody in their right minds move away from SIMS before actually testing/using Discover, which they will have in Spring?

    Just sent my FT evaluation form off after finally getting my hands on the software!

    Absolutely, Amazingly Awesome !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrysaddington View Post
    If a school decides to move away from SIMS can't they reclaim the money the LEA have spent on their behalf in buying in SIMS, that would seem fair to me?
    SIMS has two costs, the license cost, which once you've bought, you own (or your LA does) and the Annual maintaince, which you pay each year for upgrades and support.

    If you move MIS mid year, you can reclaim the unused Annual maintaince (as it's pro-rata), if you buy via the LA, it's up-to the LA if they refund the money (ie if they've already spend the money).

    The idea good point of owning the license is you don't have to worry about losing the data, it'll just get REALLY out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivadam View Post
    Just sent my FT evaluation form off after finally getting my hands on the software!
    Lucky git

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Lucky git
    Not really!
    We could not successfully install - until yesterday (the day that the evaluation form should have been returned)!
    Mind you, as a result, Capita now have two issues that they have to resolve before Spring. So I have been of some use even tho' I could only do a minimal amount of testing today.

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    Should have passed it my way

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    Basically you have to look at 3 year cost with an MIS. It is not the thing you change every year but you might when it is all in the cloud!!

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    ......and when the cloud breaks, ............... your data will fall ...........

    Windows Phone Thoughts: And When The Cloud Breaks, Your Data Will Fall...
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    Capita offer hosted solutions for SLG, and many LAs now host SIMS don't they. This is all in the cloud. A change is still a nightmare, which i think is part of what the document is getting at. Due to the resistance to change, people are locking themselves in to one provider and not necessarily getting value for money.

    As for the cloud, i think there is plenty of options in terms of backup / failover, so the only downfall is when your connection goes. For that i would want a solution with some kind of local cache of certain information, e.g. firedrill lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivadam View Post
    ......and when the cloud breaks, ............... your data will fall ...........

    Windows Phone Thoughts: And When The Cloud Breaks, Your Data Will Fall...
    Data redundancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also, that article is misleading. Email isn't really cloud computing in the same way that, for example, citrix or another thin client solution is.

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