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MIS Systems Thread, SIMS Server side to be 64 bit in Technical; Not sure what's been said by whom and have made sure that the desks know the position which is: We ...
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    Not sure what's been said by whom and have made sure that the desks know the position which is:

    1. We support both 64 and 32 bit variants of Windows Server 2003 and 2008 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future as many schools have 32 bit Servers.
    2. We do not currently support Windows Server 2008 R2 for SIMS and have no plans to do so in 2010 but we will be supporting this for SLG (for the Application tier and ADPS server) from the Summer 2010 release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilNeal View Post
    Not sure what's been said by whom and have made sure that the desks know the position which is:

    1. We support both 64 and 32 bit variants of Windows Server 2003 and 2008 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future as many schools have 32 bit Servers.
    2. We do not currently support Windows Server 2008 R2 for SIMS and have no plans to do so in 2010 but we will be supporting this for SLG (for the Application tier and ADPS server) from the Summer 2010 release.
    With point 2, isn't this a little bit of an issue, as many schools wanting to move to Windows 7 on the client side will be wanting to move to 2k8r2 also? What that extra time means is that the school then has to support a mix of servers, and a mix of clients. ie. that single problem forces a massive obligation onto the shoulders of schools.

    Not to mention the lack of full 64bit support on the client still, forcing schools to stick with 32bit Win 7 or implement terminal services etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    With point 2, isn't this a little bit of an issue, as many schools wanting to move to Windows 7 on the client side will be wanting to move to 2k8r2 also? What that extra time means is that the school then has to support a mix of servers, and a mix of clients. ie. that single problem forces a massive obligation onto the shoulders of schools.

    Not to mention the lack of full 64bit support on the client still, forcing schools to stick with 32bit Win 7 or implement terminal services etc...
    I'm very disappointed to hear this too, although it is not surprising given that Capita are a big company.

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    Phil - any particular reason why Capita have no plans to support SIMS on 2008R2?

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    I'm sure that if there was more competition Capita would support 2k8r2 without delay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jobos View Post
    I'm sure that if there was more competition Capita would support 2k8r2 without delay.
    As would RM

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    With point 2, isn't this a little bit of an issue, as many schools wanting to move to Windows 7 on the client side will be wanting to move to 2k8r2 also? What that extra time means is that the school then has to support a mix of servers, and a mix of clients. ie. that single problem forces a massive obligation onto the shoulders of schools.
    Classic no-win situation. Capita won't support 2008 R2 because not enough schools are using it. School's can't upgrade to 2008 R2 because Capita won't support it. What can you do though - other than the obvious?

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    Why would Windows 7 affect your choice of OS for your SIMS server? Surely you wouldn't install SIMS and AD etc on the same server? Specially with virtualization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Why would Windows 7 affect your choice of OS for your SIMS server? Surely you wouldn't install SIMS and AD etc on the same server? Specially with virtualization.
    Because, a lot of schools don't want to run a mix and match of server OS's.

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    Stupid question, what actually is different between Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008? From the support aspect, they look the same etc? I know R2 has some new bits, but is there anything that might make it difficult to do dual support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Stupid question, what actually is different between Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008? From the support aspect, they look the same etc? I know R2 has some new bits, but is there anything that might make it difficult to do dual support?
    32bit and 64bit support. R2 is 64bit only. It is not about 'making it difficult'. It is about ensuring everything runs smoothly - adding complexity, by having different OS's (with different support end dates, different driver support, different native 32bit support etc...) it makes that more difficult.

    Also, the 2 OS's have different interfaces... Different domain membership needs etc...

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    Drivers etc would be the same surely? 64bit is supported for servers, so no problem there.

    N00b question, what do you mean my different interfaces? I'm thinking you would be a secondary school, following Capita recommendation of a dedicated SIMS server, so I can't see the AD etc stuff wouldn't matter as that would be on the other server.

    I'll give you the end-of-life bit, you almost have to have the SIMS server on it's own replacement cycle!

    On the plus side, at least your server isn't limited to windows 2003 running 32bit!

    Final point, how many people who are worried about a mixed environment have a "linux" server on the network?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Drivers etc would be the same surely? 64bit is supported for servers, so no problem there.
    64bit may well be supported, but r2 is not. So, if a school wishes to move their servers to 64bit r2 across the board, they would still have to maintain a 2008 one - adding complexity.

    N00b question, what do you mean my different interfaces? I'm thinking you would be a secondary school, following Capita recommendation of a dedicated SIMS server, so I can't see the AD etc stuff wouldn't matter as that would be on the other server.
    2008 - http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0xPnZbi2Qt...ver_2008_1.jpg
    2008 r2 - Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 | ZDNet Photo Gallery

    Different taskbars, different start menus, different throughout.

    I'll give you the end-of-life bit, you almost have to have the SIMS server on it's own replacement cycle!
    Yes, and you shouldn't have to!

    On the plus side, at least your server isn't limited to windows 2003 running 32bit!
    Indeed. Although those wishing to use terminal services find themselves stuck with 32bit.

    Final point, how many people who are worried about a mixed environment have a "linux" server on the network?
    Personally, I don't care either way - I will support whatever is needed. The issue is that we shouldn't have to. A school should be able to install a nice shiny windows 7 64bit client, windows 2008 r2 server network without having to think 'ah, this one piece of software doesn't support 64bit windows 7, and it doesn't support 2k8 either'. It adds complexity where it should be relatively simple. Capita really needs to speed up support of new OS's. Gone are the days of having only one OS to support for 10 years. Microsoft are planning to release Windows 7's replacement in 2 years time. On Capita's scale of things, they won't be supporting it until a year later.

    Every OS and piece of software that Microsoft make is available via beta and via early release to developers - with a pretty much finished product being available around 6 months before general release. There is no excuse for them to delay things for so long after release!

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    Because Capita are getting slightly worse than 'Orrible wrt supporting pretty standard systems? It's not the mixed environment, it's more "It's April 2010, RTM for 2008 R2 was July 2009, what's the delay?"

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    I don't think people know how difficult a task it is.

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