MIS Systems Thread, Fire! Where's the register... :) in Technical; Originally Posted by gibbo_ap
office staff do the fire regs printed from PARS
Built into PARS is a fire module ...
10th March 2010, 10:03 AM #61
Built into PARS is a fire module which caches the attendance data every couple of minutes. That way when it looses the network connection you have attendance data to that point. We have dedicated several laptops for this purpose and they are picked up by a member of the office staff as soon as the firebell sounds.
Originally Posted by gibbo_ap
If you want to try it out create a shortcut to
We also have a collection of golf umbrellas next to the laptops and these are taken regardless of the weather. If it's raining then the need is obvious but you need them when it is sunny just so you can see the screen.
C:\Program Files\SIMS\PARS .net\bootstrap.exe" PARS /F
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10th March 2010, 10:17 AM #62
Do they have to unplug these laptops? I can see some great potential for law suits should there actually be a fire.
Originally Posted by sjatkn
Maybe Bruce Willis can walk through fire but asking or telling someone to:
Unplug laptop (which is hopefully charged enough to trawl through a register)
Pick up a brolly.
Ensure all students are out of the room.
Ensure that no one is running out of the building.
Finally get out of the building having not tripped someone with the brolly or dropped the laptop, bending over to pick the pieces up in causing several people behind to fall over you..........
I had the situation once when I worked in a school where the break bell went and 3 seperate classes converged on one wandering child on a stairwell. no one was going to give way but the older class was winning in the scrum. Fortunately I forced my way to the middle and made them all stand still and guided them out safely. I relayed this to the Head, who's response was "what can you do". Well a lot actually, what if it was a fire?
13th April 2010, 02:26 PM #63
A useful link posted on Capita Supportnet.
Read from Page 113.
The most useful sentence IMO is:
In many educational premises, a roll call is not a practical proposition, therefore it is important to have in place robust management procedures to ensure that the building has been effectively evacuated (e.g. sweeping of the premises by staff).
13th April 2010, 10:06 PM #64
You won't get teaching staff doing that, they leave the doors and windows open as well as tell the kids its only going to be a drill so don't use that fire door walk all the way through the building as you would normally!!! Madness!!! If the teaching staff did it they would want danger payments, a 2.1 TLR and 5 weeks more holiday to be agreed by the unions, that job will fall upon support staff as ever.... (me bitter about Fire Dutys and the serious nature of it and how many kids don't know how to behave or act in them, NEVER!! (sorry long day but I'm pasionate about Fire Safety!))
Originally Posted by creese
14th April 2010, 08:38 AM #65
Then the S**t will fall on SMT should anything happen in a real fire. Trouble is it takes something serious to happen before effective action is taken in education, data loss is not taken seriously until someone leaves a laptop on a train etc. Having been in a real fire myself I'm quite passionate too and think that all this nonsense about taking laptops and registers to check is just glossing over the cracks. Sadly someone will have to die in a school before somehing is done. This document makes total sense and I will pass it on to any school that asks about fire drills from now on.
Originally Posted by john
23rd April 2010, 01:50 PM #66
here's a thought, where's there's no wireless in congregation area, could use some form of IPoAC to transmit the data to a central data collection point on or near the network! ;-)
23rd April 2010, 02:00 PM #67
What if the fire is in the server?
Originally Posted by browolf
4th May 2010, 11:42 AM #68
- Rep Power
Is should possible to schedule SIMS to print out an attendance exception report when registration has ended. Much shorter than a full attendance list. There will always be a risk with fire and attendance registers. If there is a fire 2 minutes after the children get into the classroom, before either a paper or electronic register has been taken, you have no records to check against. Surely it's about minimising the risk when going over to an electronic system, knowing it will not be 100%. I would plan for the registers not being available. I would also NOT plan on a technologically challenging solution to work or be operated successfully during a real fire. Use the technology to prepare for "back to basics" when this happens.
4th May 2010, 11:52 AM #69
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Only a thought but, if the printouts show only the absent pupils then the form tutors would know who was unaccounted for. this should take less time to print
4th May 2010, 11:57 AM #70
I'm with Phil Neal on this one, whatever you do, the fire service is going to search the entire school, even if you have all the child out safely and have a paper register confirming this, an electronic register and even if you have GPS installed all the children, teachers, locals, animals or anything that breaths, confirming that they are out of the building. Just print the form registers at the start of the year. Job done, eco saved. Everyone happy.
Don't like the idea of someone waiting next to a laserjet in the middle of the building whilst a fire is going on next door. To get an "up-to-date" class list.
4th May 2010, 01:33 PM #71
Put the printer next to a fire exit. And if the fire is just next door you don't wait around anyway.
4th May 2010, 09:22 PM #72
You seem to be missing the point. How do you know the fire is next door? I'm sure the fire service say not to wait around inside the building. Would you really want that sort of data lying around? Ok, no address, but still! And what a complete waste of paper!
Originally Posted by CAM
4th May 2010, 09:34 PM #73
I believe that the vast majority of people that die in a fire are killed by the, invisible, fumes. You would catch me waiting for any super fast printer, one real fire is enough for me.
Originally Posted by matt40k
5th May 2010, 01:39 PM #74
If there was a fire in the room next door you'd know about it pretty quickly unless you are asleep. Hell, a house in the road on the other side of the campus was on fire and I could smell it!
5th May 2010, 01:46 PM #75
You'll be suprised. Doesn't take long for a fire to spread and your plan would fall apart if there actually WAS a fire. Go have a chat with your local fire service. Sure they'll set you straight, failing that they'll point out your schools insurance doesn't cover people hanging around a building when the fire bells going off.
PS: Would laugh my head off if some insurance company is reading this.
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