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    I managed to get hold of it from from our sims maintenance company. not a huge lot in there but some vb stuff might be helpful.

    whats that other that other thing called that you have to pay for to be able to talk to sims directly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by browolf View Post
    I managed to get hold of it from from our sims maintenance company. not a huge lot in there but some vb stuff might be helpful.

    whats that other that other thing called that you have to pay for to be able to talk to sims directly?
    The business objects, which you have to sign an NDA for, and has a list of restrictions such as you're not allowed to write anything to compete with any other Capita software, or talk about the NDA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    The business objects, which you have to sign an NDA for, and has a list of restrictions such as you're not allowed to write anything to compete with any other Capita software, or talk about the NDA.
    Plus your not allow to say anything bad but true about capita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browolf View Post
    whats that other that other thing called that you have to pay for to be able to talk to sims directly?
    It did say on the website (back when it was Redirect or similar) that you could get the BO API docs for free, as long as you didn't want partner status, and (presumably) signed an NDA.

    No mention was made of giving out the SQL stuff for free though, which seems a shame...

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    so is the "3rd party SDK" more than just the command reporter chm documentation?
    Last edited by browolf; 26th March 2010 at 12:34 PM.

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    3rd Party SDK (as I understand it) is a set of DLL that you can package in to your own app to give you access to lots of Sims functionality. You can actually do this with the DLL's in your SIMS.net program folder, though I don't know whether that's a breach of contract, and with no documentation it'd be hard to put anything usable together anyway.

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    Just for the record our partner agreement does not say that a company cannot compete with Capita. There is a clause that says that a third party "shall not be in breach of" damaging sales simply by having a competing product. You only have to look at the partners we have to see that we do not insist on not competing.

    There is a clause that says that you can't take our code and then broadcast things about it. However anyone that reads the press will know that companies have printed negative things about us and they are still a partner.

    Free speach is allowed and negative comments are how any company can see where it needs to improve.

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    Phil - sorry, but I don't know what you mean by saying it doesn't state they can't compete... This is directly from the NDA (which we did not sign, therefore I am not covered by the clause saying I can't discuss it - something you may wish to take up with your legal people...):

    The documentation will not be used to develop software that competes
    with SIMS or any of it’s modules that may exist on the date the
    documentation (TPID) is produced.
    How is that not a clause stating that partners can't compete??

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    I'll certainly take a look at it because I can see what you mean however it is clear that TPs do use our data access code to write into SIMS with applications that compete directly.

    What I am aware of is that it is possible to use our data access code/database (that have cost us literally millions) and put a new skin on it very easily and cheaply and that we do frown upon.

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    Wonder who Phil is referring to, could it be the company that just released a web version of SIMS? Surely not. Bad Matt.

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    I wasn't referring to anyone just a principle - really!

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    Localzuk, I've got hold of the NDA and the wording that you quote isn't isn't there. I'm not saying that it wasn't but this is what it says:

    "a)The documentation will not be used to reengineer or decompile the SIMS software to allow the development of software that competes with SIMS or any of it’s modules that may exist on the date the documentation (TPID) is produced. It is envisaged parties may produce software that competes with SIMS and use this documentation to produce an interface between the products."

    Hopefully this is clearer.
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    Looks like you've updated it since I saw it since last year.

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    It's possible - I'd like to see what you were given if you were able to send it to me Phil.Neal@Capita.CO.UK.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilNeal View Post
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    What I am aware of is that it is possible to use our data access code/database (that have cost us literally millions) and put a new skin on it very easily and cheaply and that we do frown upon.
    Surely, you could counter this, by doing the same yourselves...?
    Offer variants with a new skin to make it more user friendly / accessible if that is what the market wants, especially if it's easily done...

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