This all started with a concern about cost. I’ve never seen how open source actually works out cheaper. I could spend a huge amount of hours finding a “free” open source ZIS and then more hours setting it up. Then set up and train a team to support it. I’m sure that this would end up costing more than the £5,000 Capita charge to do it all for me.
This is the same reason I’m reluctant to start using Linux. By the time we’ve paid for consultancy and trained everyone up I probably could have paid for 10 years of Microsoft stuff at education prices.
Oh, by the way, does anyone know what ZIS you get when you buy Partnership Exchange. Is it a Capita one or have they brought one from America or something?
Well I think Iíve been taken a little out of context there. Iím very willing to train my staff. Iíd just rather train them on something that adds value rather than replacing something we have.
So say I have two options - 1 - train my team in Microsoft Virtualisation or 2 - train my staff to run a Linux server. Option 1 delivers new useful services to schools, option 2 just changes back end systems and schools see no real benefit.
If your licensing costs over 10 years were £10k a year (not an unreasonable sum for a decent server farm with CALs etc...), that's £100k. So, you'd have that *on top* of your usual training budget. And training people to use Linux certainly won't eat all that up.
Erm, I donít actually work in that area but I donít think our costs are that high. Iím responsible for Interoperability and data exchange. My original point was that I think Partnership Exchange is the *best* solution and well worth the £5000 compared to the other options available. I have a small budget that I use to make the maximum positive impact on our schools. I assure you I take all options very seriously and Linux is not the best solution in my situation.
Why are people so precious about Linux? Youíd think Iíd insulted your mom or something.
Linux does virtualisation too. There are real benefits to linux other than cost. Our file servers do way more than windows fileservers can do, our email does the same as exchange. It's just a different path same as propriety unixes. long term it costs less, but short term costs are probably higher if you only know the windows way.So say I have two options - 1 - train my team in Microsoft Virtualisation or 2 - train my staff to run a Linux server. Option 1 delivers new useful services to schools, option 2 just changes back end systems and schools see no real benefit.
people get precious when others talk about something they obviously don't understandWhy are people so precious about Linux? You’d think I’d insulted your mom or something.
Again, not my area. I used a bad example. Can we get back to SIF. Itís far more interesting than my management decisions.
yes, good plan. It needs to be interoperable so that it can be used in diverse systems.Again, not my area. I used a bad example. Can we get back to SIF. It’s far more interesting than my management decisions.
Capita extended SIF without getting the changes ratified, making interoperability difficult.
I will never use the word reluctant and Linux in the same sentence ever again.
What are other authorities doing about SIF. Do you have projects set up or are you just in ‘watching and waiting’ mode?
Yes, because it's not finished. SIF is still a work in progress, why spend £££ for it only to be changed, dropped whatever. I'm sure all LA's are looking at it, but it's like, well... the winds blowing from the west, so we do this...
I think you're missing the point of open source. It builds a community of developers. Why would you have to do any extra training? If Capita ran it, was the main dev, then it would work just like any other Capita thing, if someone wanted to make it work with unix\linux, they could.
For me, if Capita makes a report that does, I don't know, list of exams results, I would want others to be able to replicate that in there MIS. I don't Capita to have adjust a perfectly good system just for the sake of making a few people happy. If it was an open source thing, then others could feedback.
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