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7th July 2009, 10:32 AM #1
Spec for SIMS server
It looks like our SIMS server is on it's way out. Anyone recommend some specifications for a new admin server. It will hold the usual sims, lesson monitor, FMS etc etc.
7th July 2009, 10:57 AM #2
I recently had Capita send me the following spec for an Admin Server. The cost is around £2500 and the spec might seem a little overkill but as we have little money it has to last!!
It does not include a backup solution as we have a tape drive to utilise.
Hope this helps.
Processor - Intel® Xeon® E5506, 2.13Ghz, 4MB Cache, 4.86 GT/s QPI
Memory - 8GB Memory for 1 CPU, DDR3, 1066MHz (4x2GB Dual Ranked RDIMMs),
Mirror Raid Connectivity - C5 Cabled - RAID 5 with PERC 6/i, 3-6 SAS/SATA Cabled HDDs
Hard Drive 4 x 160GB, SATA, 3.5-inch, 7.2K RPM (Hot Plug)
Power Supply - Redundant Power Supply (2 PSU) 580W
Server Management Cards - iDRAC6 Embedded BMC
Optical Devices - 16X DVD+/-RW ROM Drive SATA with SATA Cable
Backup with LSI2032 Internal SCSI Controller
Backup Software - Symantec Backup Exec 12d - Server Suite
Mouse - Dell 2 Button USB Optical Mouse
Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY) Dell Standard Quietkey USB Keyboard Black
Support Services - 3Yr ProSupport for IT and 4hr Mission Critical
7th July 2009, 11:06 AM #3
I would aim for Mindnights spec.
If you go over 4GB Ram you need to think about the software.
Sims doesn't like x64 100% yet so it might be good to go for a 32bit OS. If you go for a 32 bit OS and you have more than 4gb Ram you will need to go for Server 2003/2008 enterprise edition
7th July 2009, 11:09 AM #4
Raid 5 for SQL is a bad idea, as it is slow. I'd choose SAS over SATA for the same reason.
The CPU is fine though, as the server side of SIMS.net is not CPU heavy.
8GB ram is also fine, if you're going to use 64bit windows server - but note that only the SIMS.net app itself would work on the server, and not FMS or System Manager, so you'd be a bit limited.
7th July 2009, 11:09 AM #5
I would get rid of the 160GB 7200RPM SATA drives and use 73GB 10,000RPM SAS drives (or 15,000 if you can stretch the budget).
Other than that - looks fine!
7th July 2009, 11:32 AM #6
Could always go for VelociRaptor drives - SATA interface, 10,000rpm, more capacity for your money than your average SAS drive.
Originally Posted by Butuz
Is it worth giving SQL Server its own disk array to use? I know some database systems used to be able to utilise a disk array directly, without bothering with a file system, to aid performance. Is this still done, or is that something that's dies out these days?
7th July 2009, 11:48 AM #7
I agree with most previous comments, however to be honest I wouldn't use DDR3 yet. DDR2 in the majority of cases is still faster, but of course this would involve looking at a different model of server altogether.
I'm not quite sure why Dell are including a 580W PSU, seems a bit much for the specification. That spec will use no where near that amount.
And as for running Sims on x64, some components work and others don't. I would wait until Sims fully supports 64bit natively. Something which'll happen fairly soon I'd imagine, bearing in mind the Windows Server roadmap is now 64Bit only for future editions...
7th July 2009, 12:53 PM #8
Yep they're a good intermediate step but Dell don't actually supply them. I take it the OP wants a pre-built server with no fiddling required.
Originally Posted by dhicks
They supply powerful PSUs because the server is Dual CPU capable and can take 6 Hard drives of up to 15K SAS - this will use 400+watts at full tilt so having 580w is a good idea!
Originally Posted by Michael
7th July 2009, 01:07 PM #9
Although if you are using SQL express it's not going to use more than 1GB of RAM anyway.
Edit: Multiple cores may work - specs have been updated
Last edited by DMcCoy; 7th July 2009 at 01:09 PM.
25th January 2010, 09:50 AM #10
Originally Posted by localzuk
I'm just specing a new box and I was thinking the same regarding RAID5 but what's a good alternative, RAID 1 with fast disks or a RAID 0+1?
25th January 2010, 10:01 AM #11
we have a DL380 quad core 3gb ram 136gb 10k sas drives raid 5 and it works, but thats for 150 + users of sims
25th January 2010, 10:40 AM #12
Originally Posted by glennda
Yeh currently we have a box with 2 mirrored SCSI drives for the system and 3 SCSI disks in a RAID 5 for the SIMS Db. It seems to perform ok for the 150 ish users that we have but i'm still thinking about how to improve performance on the new box.
25th January 2010, 10:52 AM #13
We have 100+ users and our server is 8 core Xeon 1.86GHz (2 quads), 4GB RAM, 146GB RAID set - I think in RAID 1 hardware, we only use about 30GB. Windows server 2003 standard edition 32bit SP2. Go for the best spec you can afford. Don't forget good NIC's.
25th January 2010, 10:58 AM #14
I would recommend that you buy a server with the ability to team and load balance the nic's aswell
Originally Posted by mjs_mjs
25th January 2010, 10:59 AM #15
infact i have actually just logged into ours, and its dual quad xeon, the people that where here before me didnt skimp on specs, its got more ram then the 3.25 but thats all windows will see, stupid thing!
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