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    sims learning gateway ad takeover?

    Just attended a non-technical meeting with a capita rep over sims learning gateway. There was some brief mention of taking over active directory. I don't like the sound of that. Can anyone elaborate on what this really means?

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    I highly doubt it, although it would be nice if Sims just worked with AD automatically. Would make a lot of sense.

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    It has an Active Directory provising, basically it creates all your windows logon accounts from the SIMS db. Great really, you can get it separately too.

    Students\Staff\Parents.

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    that doesnt sound so bad. so does that mean having stuff installed into sims that will auto-create accounts in ad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by browolf View Post
    Just attended a non-technical meeting with a capita rep over sims learning gateway. There was some brief mention of taking over active directory. I don't like the sound of that. Can anyone elaborate on what this really means?
    What will happen is your LA will installed as AD server there end and you will need to hook up your ad server to it.

    This will allow LA wide provisioning of usernames for SIMS learning Gateway, ie a parent has a username but can access all their children's detail even if they are at more than on school.

    I would be worried also as there is a possibility of loss of control of active directory. For people looking really darkly this is one of the key things before bsf can happen.

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    Yes, it does really look like a BSF product. However it can be installed at a school level, just looks a bit.... interesting.

    If the internet goes down you can't view student details (etc), you should still be able to log in. However you won't be able to login locally (ie at the school), one would hope if the plan was to have central AD, you would have backup lines. Maybe even a AD at large schools. At least it's not my problem!!

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    You talking about AD Provisioning?

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    Yes which is part of SLG2.

    The main idea is that Active Directory is hosted at the LEA level, which means the school won't be able to log on if the school's internet is down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Yes which is part of SLG2.

    The main idea is that Active Directory is hosted at the LEA level, which means the school won't be able to log on if the school's internet is down.
    That's what local domain controllers are for.

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    Sort to beats the idea of your LEA having them

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    Active Directory Provisioning by SLG2 doesn't actually have any effect on existing network accounts. The accounts it provisions are used purely to log into the SLG site and gain access to appropriate data.

    These accounts can then be consolidated with existing network accounts so that users can use these to log in to the SLG site. It isn't necessary to migrate all school ADs over to the LA at all, if the LA is hosting SLG then they can hold a seperate AD structure for SLG with no impact on school's existing sites.

    There is the potential, with customised provisioning, to use SLG to create an entire network structure for logins, but this is a seperate, chargeable service. There is no takeover of AD, all that needs to happen is an OU to be created for the use of SLG in the existing AD structure.

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    This isnt an LA thing. atm our lea is nowhere, our senior management want to get ahead of the game and are dealing straight with capita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesb View Post
    Active Directory Provisioning by SLG2 doesn't actually have any effect on existing network accounts. The accounts it provisions are used purely to log into the SLG site and gain access to appropriate data.

    These accounts can then be consolidated with existing network accounts so that users can use these to log in to the SLG site. It isn't necessary to migrate all school ADs over to the LA at all, if the LA is hosting SLG then they can hold a seperate AD structure for SLG with no impact on school's existing sites.

    There is the potential, with customised provisioning, to use SLG to create an entire network structure for logins, but this is a seperate, chargeable service. There is no takeover of AD, all that needs to happen is an OU to be created for the use of SLG in the existing AD structure.
    It does impact netowrk accounts as if teachers want to use SLG2 they will need to have a sperate username and password from there network one. This is very impractical, the the LA would recommend teachers use the sims generated and get the school to integrated into there internal setup.

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    Its no more impractical than having a separate login for SIMS .net, or for webmail, or for a forum.

    From what I gather it is possible to consolidate accounts to different domains as well, not easy, but possible.

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    Multiple logons for SIMS.net no longer applies - you can link the accounts using passthough in System Manager.

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