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MIS Systems Thread, November Update 2008 in Technical; Originally Posted by matt40k I was under the impression this was fixed in Nov 2? I assume you didn't create ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    I was under the impression this was fixed in Nov 2?

    I assume you didn't create your timetable in 4? (Or try to export from 4 to 6\SQL)

    We've had loads of problems with the FMS, but we did go from v.6.91. Kept missing the DLLs, only on random ones too, still over all the updates appear to be a bit slow. Something "fun" to look into next time.
    Nope. We use T6 not T4 and the patch is for November 2 (and later) only.

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    I used to work in the Development team for Capita/SIMS and I can assure you that they do not follow anything like industry standard software release controls.

    They are building on sand with software that has been consistently rushed into market and/or fixed with sticking plaster and they are not willing to invest in getting it right.

    They try to do far too much for every release, with not enough investment in supporting their people and way too little process discipline.

    It's astonishing that they only have to re-release once or twice each time.

    The people there are great and they bust themselves trying to get it right in the forced timescales, but the management are simply milking the business, the staff (and the customers) for all they are worth.

    How many times have you been promised functionality or a release only to find it is delayed or faulty - often at the last minute? They make promises they cannot keep because they do not consult the people who will be doing the work and trying to work out what the heck the answer is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachy4 View Post
    I used to work in the Development team for Capita/SIMS and I can assure you that they do not follow anything like industry standard software release controls.
    Settles that question, then. In fairness, I think this marks Capita as just plain average - I imagine that there's lots of decent programmers toiling away in larger companies, wishing they were developing the next Google with the latest agile development processes but winding up churning out software any old how for use in a limited market and for sale and purchase by sales staff and managers with no real grasp of the software's capabilities or their institution's IT needs.

    Anyway, so your last job sucked - are you doing something more interesting now?

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    Gonna have to agree with David, gonna take that with a pinch of salt. Still be interesting to hear what exactly you was doing at Capita and where you are now etc.

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    Malachy - the one post wonder ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyoung View Post
    Malachy - the one post wonder ?
    I think PhilNeal has found him, or at least scared him off... his profile looks a bit... unprofessional

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    Wink

    I've been too busy being professional to spend much time on Edugeek since my post

    Agree that they are probably no worse than a lot of organisations, but the sad thing is that they simply are not learning from years of the same problems repeating over and over again.

    People (like me) do try to introduce greater control to improve the quality and reliability of deliveries, but the aggressive profit targets set by "Big" Capita are the top priority, so they will never make the required investment in time and people.

    Every release is a panic of fixes and a battle between the Product Managers and the development teams. When it is inevitably late, little consideration is made for the impact on the next release. So teams are constantly playing catchup - and with no money for extra resources, the things that suffer are quality and functionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachy4 View Post
    I've been too busy being professional to spend much time on Edugeek since my post
    I'm not sure you meant that the way it sounded.... are you inferring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by malachy4 View Post
    Agree that they are probably no worse than a lot of organisations, but the sad thing is that they simply are not learning from years of the same problems repeating over and over again.
    The answer is probably to start your own company to make a better product, or start an open source project. The problem is that large database systems like a school's MIS are, let's face it, dull - the good programmers are going to want to be working on cool, snazzy, web 2.0 products that the entire world will use and give them kudos for, and you'll have a hard time convincing people to contribute to an open source MIS (although a couple of project out there are trying). Ho hum.

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    How about a cool snazzy web 2.0 MIS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachy4 View Post

    Agree that they are probably no worse than a lot of organisations, but the sad thing is that they simply are not learning from years of the same problems repeating over and over again.

    People (like me) do try to introduce greater control to improve the quality and reliability of deliveries, but the aggressive profit targets set by "Big" Capita are the top priority, so they will never make the required investment in time and people.

    Every release is a panic of fixes and a battle between the Product Managers and the development teams. When it is inevitably late, little consideration is made for the impact on the next release. So teams are constantly playing catchup - and with no money for extra resources, the things that suffer are quality and functionality.
    Would be interested to know what you tried to introduce in terms of control that got knocked back ? If I was a Capita investor I would be quite reassured by your post but as a customer I don't know what to make of it. As it's your first ever post to this forum one has to assume there must be some form of malice towards Capita.

    Look forward to you proving me wrong. I am off to the bank to buy some Capita shares....

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    Be interesting to find out who malachy4 really is... perhaps an IP address Mr EduGeek would be a start.

    I can't imagine Capita would have a such a poor development scheme after years and millions of pounds of investment. Ok, lets face it, educational software isn't great. But even so. From what malachy4 said so far it makes me thing some sad Capita end user has created an account on here, possibly using a new hotmail account (or such) and just ranting. At the best, he works for Bromcom

    For the time being we have to take it all with a pince of salt, at least until malachy4 puts up or shuts up. (Roll on Phil!)
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    I'd hoped for some interesting debate about the subject of SIMS development and how it affects customers, but it seems that isn't going to happen.

    Most of the respondents appear to be loyal SIMS devotees, which is fair enough.

    There is one thing I must clear up, though:- I was not suggesting for a moment that it's the developers who are not up to scratch. They do a grand job in difficult circumstances and some are among the brightest I've worked with in 20 yrs of IT industry experience.

    Adios, then. I shall keep my views to myself from now on.

    Phil - if you're reading this, rest assured that I bear you and SIMS no malice - I was just after some sport

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachy4 View Post
    Most of the respondents appear to be loyal SIMS devotees
    Hey, not me! I'd prefer to have our school's data in a nice open source system of some kind, but then there's the question of the data we've already put in to SIMS (not, actually, all that much, really, and it is exportable) and the fact that SIMS does at least work and has every feature we currently require - any replacement system is going to have to go through the whole basic-features-first-then-grow, which will take at least a couple of years, and in the meantime our admin staff need a working MIS right now. I figure the answer lays in the Web 2.0 world of writing small, stand-alone web apps that all do one small, easily-implementable function, and gradually implement the functions of a full MIS bit by bit - SIMS dies the death of a thousand pinpricks. However, I for one am rather too busy right at the moment trying to stick various bits of hardware together to make computer workstations for classrooms to go doing proper software development, and I figure most other people in this forum are in the same situation. Heck, most of the people here, by definition, probably have a specialism other than software development.

    I was not suggesting for a moment that it's the developers who are not up to scratch. They do a grand job in difficult circumstances and some are among the brightest I've worked with in 20 yrs of IT industry experience.
    I suggest you poach a bunch of them to go work with you creating a school MIS using the latest agile software development methods. I've always figured it'd be great fun working for a proper, small, smart startup - just a manager/secretary, graphic designer and four or so developers should be enough.

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    Jumping off the comments above, just thought i would let you guys know that both

    Main Nov 1
    Main Nov 2

    - have caused no issues with our systems

    the 2 patches that were released

    one via solus and one sent via email both installed and again no problems.

    the one sent via email was a database update.

    Thought i would let you know

    James.



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