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    SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Does anyone know if it's possible to get the SIMS upgrades to run via a startup script?
    I'm looking to take staff out of the local admins group and prevent them installing software.
    I was thinking that, as the startup scripts runs at admin level, it could perform the updates, then i could have the users just going straight into sims instead of via the update program (pulsar?)

    If this would work would it also work for PARS.net, which we are rolling out in the near future?

    Thanks

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    I've asked similar before - I believe that if you just assign full control to the SIMS and PARS folders in Program Files, they will be able to perform the upgrades. This definitley works for PARS.net - still need to check for SIMS.



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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    That seems to work the majority of the time occasionaly I have had to log on as admin for it to work properly but not very often.

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    This works most of the time but PARS.net occasionally decides to update your MS Office components. The only of doing this AFAIK is to login as admin.

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    If you wanna do it by startup script still and stop sims from looking for updates before it loads, here is how you do it:

    Change the teachers shortcut to "C:\program files\sims\sims .net\pulsar.exe"

    The current shortcut has Simsload.exe before pulsar.exe (simsload is what checks for updates.)

    To get it to automatically upgrade during computer startup, create a script that will run the following:

    \\simsserver\sims\sims\setups\simsapplicationsetup .exe /s
    \\simsserver\sims\sims\setups\simsmanualsetup.exe /s
    \\simsserver\sims\sims\setups\SIMSAMPARKSetup.exe /s

    The /s switch does a silent install which i found using different switch combination as capita claimed there wasnt a switch.

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Thanks a lot for the replies, they're just what I'm looking for

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    I'm having the opposite problem - for some reason SIMS upgrades have to be done manually on our network, the SIMS shortcut points to 'Pulsar.exe' and running SIMSLoad doesn't seem to do anything... am I right in thinking that SIMSLoad *should* check for updates and then actually run SIMS if none are found? Is there something missing from sims.ini that I should be looking for?

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Yeah that's right it should check your server setups directory for updates install them if there are any then run SIMS .NET afterwards

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Yeah that's right it should check your server setups directory for updates install them if there are any then run SIMS .NET afterwards

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Quote Originally Posted by wesleyw
    Yeah that's right it should check your server setups directory for updates install them if there are any then run SIMS .NET afterwards

    Wes
    So if it's not, does this mean there's a critical part of sims.ini missing?

    I have some machines where it's working fine and some (most) where it isn't... time to do a bit of comaprison I think.

    Thanks!

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Simsload.ini located in c:\program fiels\sims\sims .net\ should look a little like this:

    [LastChecked]
    SIMSAmparkSetup=1.526.3.0
    SIMSApplicationSetup=1.528.12.0
    SIMSApplicationSetupLastChecked=11:15
    SIMSManualSetupLastChecked=11:15
    SIMSAMPARKSetupLastChecked=11:15

    or

    [LastChecked]
    SIMSApplicationSetup=1.528.12.0
    SIMSManualSetup=1.528.7.0
    SIMSApplicationSetupLastChecked=14:16
    SIMSManualSetupLastChecked=14:16
    SIMSAmparkSetup=1.526.3.0
    SIMSAMPARKSetupLastChecked=14:16

    The latter being a file from a newly updated one and the first being from an old install that hasn't run SIMS for quite some time!

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Quote Originally Posted by wesleyw
    [LastChecked]
    SIMSApplicationSetup=1.528.12.0
    SIMSManualSetup=1.528.7.0
    SIMSApplicationSetupLastChecked=14:16
    SIMSManualSetupLastChecked=14:16
    SIMSAmparkSetup=1.526.3.0
    SIMSAMPARKSetupLastChecked=14:16

    The latter being a file from a newly updated one and the first being from an old install that hasn't run SIMS for quite some time!
    Hmm... both my working and my non-working machines have sims.ini files that look like this. What else does SIMSLoad look for that could potentially be different between the two machines... anything in the registry?

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Got the bastard!

    Turns out the problem was due to our domain being renamed almost two years ago, still some hangers-on referencing the old domain.

    In C:\Windows, in the SIMS.ini file:

    "SIMSSetupsDirectory=\\<domain>\dfs\SIMS\Setup s"

    was still set to look at our old domain, thus thwarting the whole upgrade procedure.

    Many thanks to the posters who've posted SIMS technical guides in various threads here, wouldn't have found out about this without them!

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    S:\SIMS\Setups\SIMSPerm.bat anyone?

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    Re: SIMS Upgrades and Permissions

    Getting a lot of problems with the recent (friday?) update - taking anywhere from 30 mins to 2&half hours to install
    Some PC's end up with an I/O error half way through installation of the upgrade..

    A quick solution I have is when a PC has upgraded, i make a ZIP file of the SIMS.net folder on the C: drive and slap it on a USB key, then extract it onto a PC that fails to update - works a treat - till the next update

    Unfortunately our staff PC's are on our LEA's domain so no way to amend the startup scripts

    Also anyway to stop it from installing the manuals? their huge and noone uses them...



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