I can't help but think that postings of this type will alienate our community from suppliers and Phil will find more important things to do with his time.
Penfold - put up or shut up.
Competing products (OpenOffice) are being excluded from schools, as capita are keeping the cost of office solutions artificially high.
Every one needs to stop having a go at Capita.
The fact are we all have to use microsoft and capita and by making relations between the two and their users worse only leads to us losing out.
I suggest you keep your inflammatory remarks to yourself.
Penfold_99 - why start a war when all we want is an answer, go to your room!
I feel that's a bit of a chicken egg thing i bet if Capita SIMS fully supported OO then allot of schools would be VERY interested in moving, i know for a fact that many schools on here are held into MS Office due to Capita SIMS not functioning completely with OO.What is true is that as a company we aren't set up for handling OpenOffice as at the moment the demand is low.
I'm not having a go at Phil Neal i've found his input usefull many times but i'm calling is as i see it if it wasn't for SIMS we would be mainly OO here with a few MS Office admin clients.
Last edited by cookie_monster; 16th July 2008 at 04:09 PM.
I do welcome Phil's presence on this forum, but his comments that SIMS does not force the use of MSOffice were quite misleading.
We are very interested in using open office, but are being held back by the need for Office in SIMS.net. Switching from Office to OpenOffice would save us several thousand pounds a year, and would mean we could probably afford to buy some of the other modules in SIMS.net that we would like to use (for example, SIMS mobile).
Unless OpenOffice works 100% with SIMS.net, it cannot be claimed to work. You can't say that little bits of it work, because no school uses SIMS.net in that way.
If the community view about products is alienating suppliers then the suppliers has a serious problems! The suppliers should not run an hide from criticism they should engage in debate and together with the community create a better product.
As currently Capita solely use Microsoft Technologies.
- SIMS.net is written in .Net
- Uses MS SQL Server
- Uses IIS/MOSS for SIMS.net Learning Gateway
- Integration with Active Directory
- Integration with Microsoft Office
- Only run on Windows Platform
Because of the use of Microsoft Technologies it stifles competition in several areas Desktop OS, Server OS, Database Software, Word Processing Software etc. Schools are forced to buy into the expensive Microsoft upgrade cycle.
Some LEA's can also be included in this collusion, as many solely support Microsoft technologies and SIMS.net.
Becta have reported Microsoft to the OFT (19 October 2007) and so far nothing has happened, Microsoft has been reported to the EU Commission and fined but there practises still continue.
You could argue under EU law Microsoft should be excluded from all public tenders as they have been fined. In theory schools should be band from purchasing Microsoft software, but due to a loop hole they aren't.
Microsoft has gagged Becta from publishing the details of the three-year megadeal it agreed with Microsoft in April.
Microsoft gags UK schools - The INQUIRER
Even thou as part of the tender clause was the information could be release under a FOI request.
If there was an agreement between Capita and Microsoft, Microsoft would do every thing in it's power to keep it confidential and Capita would be bound not to say anything if it wanted to.
webman (16th July 2008)
I would like to see MS forced to play on a level field excluding them would be counter productive and anti competitive and i can only imagine the headach if schools suddenly couldn't buy their products and had to move to an alternative platform overnight.You could argue under EU law Microsoft should be excluded from all public tenders as they have been fined.
The wouldn't be any reason for schools to stop using Office overnight just they wont be able to purchase new copies.
A ban would only work if it was 2 years or greater and that is never going to happen.
The question is how to get microsoft to play a level field? It's currently sloped so much in there favour any restriction would have to be in place for what 5+, 10+ years so every thing else can catch up.
As always it's really down to us, consumer pressure really is the only way to get to companies. These companies are obligated by law to make their shareholders money, if the current approach stops working then they will change.
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