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MIS Systems Thread, SIMS Registers and Fire Drills in Technical; I think the point re the fire bridage is a good one, they will ignore, however, if you have an ...
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    I think the point re the fire bridage is a good one, they will ignore, however, if you have an indication that there might be a child missing when you take a register, then this might give them some clue as to where that child might be or even that they are actually looking for a child (member of staff / visitor / contractor / etc). Or if everyone checks off on the register you can then tell them "to the best of our knowledge all pupils, staff and visitors are accounted for".

    As for a solution, I'm would be interested to hear of any solutions as we're looking to go digital with various things around the school and I've suggested trialling electronic registers now we're on a flat network. I mean, your other option (again, not 100%) is to put an external access point near the assembly point or points. This way, you would have a connection, but the connection is only worth anything if you're server room isn't burning down and so long as the cables don't burn through etc.

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    we are a primary and I have not heard of lesson monitor? what is that exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdunn93 View Post
    we are a primary and I have not heard of lesson monitor? what is that exactly?
    Lesson by lesson registration. About 200 for a primary. Just checking price.

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    ah right ok I shall have a look into this thank you

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    I would also recommend SLT look at these, why reinvent the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    No. I don't see how you could ever be certain that it was accurate, my point with the fire register. Too much room for error, too much movement within and in and out of the school. No system is fail-safe.

    A facetious recommendation? Tag the kids and staff. But as we all know, that doesn't work.
    Just to be clear, you would recommend schools don't have a fire register?

    Apologies this part is off topic slightly, I am genuinely interested in the views from schools. I've never been involved in policy or practice for fire evac in schools so learning here too. I just cannot imagine where a school wouldn't have drills or real fire evacs without a list of some description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREED View Post
    Just to be clear, you would recommend schools don't have a fire register?
    What is a Fire Register? Seriously, have you ever heard of an official fire register. If one was of use, don't you think someone would have come up with one by now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    What is a Fire Register? Seriously, have you ever heard of an official fire register. If one was of use, don't you think someone would have come up with one by now?
    So... Why does every school have a list in case of fire?

    Fire register perhaps not the best phrase... granted!

    I'm amused that no one will commit to say 'No, schools should not have a fire list/register' yet is the jist of the argument...

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    No, schools should not have a fire list/register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    No, schools should not have a fire list/register.
    :-D

    And don't get me wrong, while I disagree with that I agree with your points that lists etc can be fraught with issues and inaccuracies.

    Regardless of agreement, I wonder if any schools are brave enough not to have a fire list? Or speak up if they don't now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREED View Post
    :-D

    And don't get me wrong, while I disagree with that I agree with your points that lists etc can be fraught with issues and inaccuracies.

    Regardless of agreement, I wonder if any schools are brave enough not to have a fire list? Or speak up if they don't now?
    Okay you win. Schools should also have a Flood Register. Lightening Strike Register. etc. etc. and at sometime during the day... some lessons. What is wrong with the Official Register? Why is it taken? Why is it more inaccurate than something with a misleading name? So many questions.

    Show me when a register saved a life or lack of one cause loss, then I'll change my mind. :-)

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    We have fire registers. They are basically check lists of the students in each class so that we can check who we have should there be no access to the electronic system. It's not perfect, but in a small school like ours, each teacher can be reasonably relied on to know which of their pupils was in school at any time.

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    So I think more the point of having the list of children known to be in school, so the normal register. I'm not suggesting a separate specific on for "enter emergency here". What I am trying to understand is, is the general feeling that children should not be accounted for in the event of an emergency, and just let the fire brigade come and search the building for anyone. That is where the argument seems to have gotten to...

    To be clear, not a separate list but some way to account for evacuated and or missing children (and staff let's not forget!)

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    Some really strange words and phrases used above.
    'Reasonably relied on...'
    'just let the fire brigade come and search....'

    Wow... Now I'm sure I did the right thing. 5 1/2 days left....

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    Well that is the suggestion, if school staff are not accounting for who is in and not, because the fire brigade will ignore it anyway, then they will search the buildings regardless... I'm struggling where the confusion is, particularly as this is what most responders to this thread have insinuated...

    Totally agree with Elsiegee40, something has to be better than nothing.

    I'm also lost as to why it is pointless to know if you are missing 2 kids, and possibly know where they are? Surely that helps the fire brigade as to where to search first, possibly. At the very least... hence why I still think they are a good idea.

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