Elsiegee40 maybe split the thread off when the blog is mentioned?
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Last edited by pcstru; 10th May 2014 at 01:08 PM. Reason: Moved to avoid the wrath of the mods
Try sitting in supplier meetings about the census on this topic then you will be confused!
And time is not worth anything? To do this in any realistic timescale this is full time work by several people. I go back MANY posts where I say about the cost of eating sleeping and living... cannot and should not be done in the middle of another job leaving either investment or a long long time to develop.
I'm actually flabbergasted you have said that.
Last edited by kinster; 12th May 2014 at 08:56 AM. Reason: additional
If you have the quality skills to be able to do this well, the it is likely you are well sort after in a job already. In addition, simply being able to build the database and interface is one aspect, totally aside from knowing education data market inside out, having the links to get the up to data statutory information and regulations, and being able to connect to (or better, build you own) the very complex elements such as timetabling, exams management, messaging. Otherwise to be fair, it is very much a large, yet flat database.
Regardless of all that... it does cost to do this; time in any commercial world, which this fits, costs money. What about marketing? Sales force? Trainers? Support staff? Are they all going to come onto the non-existent payroll? Or would this project be the exclusive domain of the wealthy who don't have to work?
Another point and I know this happened before: How do you make money from this or is it free? If free to schools, would paid advertising creep in? And the big question to make all of this academic: Would a school take on a totally free MIS from a company that made no money, trust all this data where there is effectively no incentive to have the company stick to the terms of any contract. I'd actually like to see what the community thinks of that?
This is an excerpt from the Census Tech spec.
This field must be used to identify the core aim within a vocational EFA funded study programme for students on roll from 1st August 2013 onwards (including those continuing from the 2012/13 academic year). As the autumn census collects learning aims taken in the previous and current academic year this will mean that a core aim should be returned for each year where a vocational EFA funded study programme is being followed.
If a student is following an academic programme a core aim does not need to be identified.
The core aim is the substantive learning aim being undertaken in a studentís programme of study. Please refer to the EFA funding documentation for further information about the core aim including definitions of academic and vocational provision.
it continues at greater length but I have edited to avoid TL: DR
You might also want to double check the documentation at DfE documentation but there isn't any Autumn 2014 documentation up there yet.
CAM (12th May 2014)
An interesting perspective on how difficult the problem actually is might be had from looking at the success of suppliers when they try taking their MIS products to other markets. They should be able to leverage their existing investment in terms of the codebase/system, few seem to manage it.
GREED (12th May 2014)
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