MIS Systems Thread, MIS choice: Bromcom/Double First in Technical; Hi,
We have been using e1 for several years and now that it is being withdrawn as of September 2014 ...
9th December 2013, 10:18 AM #1
9th December 2013, 10:17 PM #2
I would love to comment but have only spoken to people at both companies never seen the products. Interesting Double First entering the mainstream market now... very interesting.
John Condon from Bromcom is often on here I'm sure he can say something (without violating the sponsorship rules!) And there are users of Bromcom here too.
10th December 2013, 10:13 AM #3
I'm interested why @GarlicSnails isn't looking at SIMS?
10th December 2013, 11:37 AM #4
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Believe me it wasn’t easy to reach our final shortlist of 2. We considered other MIS on the market (including SIMS – sorry speckytecky ) and they are all legitimate solutions depending on what you are looking for. Bromcom and DoubleFirst were the ones that best met the criteria we defined for our school’s needs.
We browsed other forum threads to try to gauge the temperature out there but couldn't find any recent posts and the sector moves so fast (or at least we like to think so!) that we were hoping for some 'new' news?
10th December 2013, 05:37 PM #5
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Are you an independant school?
Originally Posted by GarlicSnails
10th December 2013, 06:27 PM #6
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Yes, we're an independent school but follow the national curriculum.
11th December 2013, 08:12 PM #7
11th December 2013, 08:13 PM #8
But perhaps not appropriate for this topic as it has nothing to do with the question...
11th December 2013, 11:08 PM #9
We decided to withdraw and contract directly with schools!!
12th December 2013, 09:03 AM #10
Indeed, it makes a bit of a mockery of a tender such as this from LAs. There is huge expense in winning a contract such as this, with zero guaranteed return because ultimately the schools can do what they want anyway. Obviously, or I would assume, the LA as a result will only be offering local support for Bromcom and AL? This is how they would entice schools to migrate to their preferred choices. Nice that you will be able to offer a direct support model!
Originally Posted by PhilNeal
12th December 2013, 11:54 AM #11
I and perhaps others appreciate you explanation. I don't think you addressed my point, which is the LA was forced to re procure as all are, and this process has only been a process to facilitate showing some MIS solutions to their schools. Schools are free to make their own choice regardless, however the council will either remove all MIS local support and push for direct supplier support, or will retrain their staff with skills in the 2 main supplier systems. They cannot and will not support any and all solutions. And so there is a subliminal push from the LA particularly to schools who rely on that local support to adopt on of those solutions. Unfortunately it has always been that way. So true choice is a subjective term, particularly if you just 'won' the contract!
BTW, I'm not pointing fingers, certainly not at the LA they have to do what they have to do with limited budgets. This is a general point about the revolution in MIS procurement.
12th December 2013, 12:43 PM #12
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I probably know what you mean, but just to make sure technically we keep the accuracy for all readers:
Originally Posted by GREED
1. All five listed MIS Suppliers "won" the contract on the Framework- hence and as listed in the OJEU Award Notice.
2. But it was Bromcom that "won" the lion share of the business within the Framework.
LAs with Pearson e1 MIS:
A number of LAs with Pearson e1 running in their schools are also trying their own different way procurment process to address the withdrawal of e1 from the market.
Yes, we will definetly see more evolutionary procurement process for MIS in 2014.
12th December 2013, 05:12 PM #13
@GREED we both know schools look for the LA for advise, if every school did independently look at every MIS product out there nothing would get done!! The DfE framework was them basically them say, hey, these companies\products are OK and pretty much the same. I'd be interested in what MIS system the LA choose (which sucks the data from the schools).
12th December 2013, 06:31 PM #14
Are there that many choices? Even fewer decent choices... nudging Matt in the side as per previous conversations!!!
12th December 2013, 06:37 PM #15
Also, I fully agree and support they way this process supporting gathering schools to look at suppliers in a focused set of sessions, think that is great because yes (Matt) it would be a lot of work and things would move slowly.
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