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MIS Systems Thread, Summer 2013 and XP in Technical; Originally Posted by sted why if your running 2008r2 as a ts dosent matter wether you using xp/7/8/linux/ios/android on the ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    why if your running 2008r2 as a ts dosent matter wether you using xp/7/8/linux/ios/android on the client its running on 2008r2. Granted xp will have no support but if the pcs arnt being replaced then we will just have to deal with an eol'd os
    The client OS will not get any security updates. It will be a big security risk. If anything happens and you are using a vulnerable OS you might be in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FN-GM View Post
    The client OS will not get any security updates. It will be a big security risk. If anything happens and you are using a vulnerable OS you might be in trouble.
    true but when in cases you have been told that the pcs are to be run till they die and they arent capable of running win7 sensibly (512mb ram) what can you do

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    true but when in cases you have been told that the pcs are to be run till they die and they arent capable of running win7 sensibly (512mb ram) what can you do
    Have you told them specifically about the problems it will cause? Other software will stop working as well, as XP is out of support they will stop considering compatibility with it. Similar to Windows 2000.

    Its a shame your school doesn't vaule IT. Our last Windows XP client went out years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    true but when in cases you have been told that the pcs are to be run till they die and they arent capable of running win7 sensibly (512mb ram) what can you do
    If you continue to use them running XP after security updates stop, you'd not be complying with the DPA in my view - you'd be failing on principle 7 IMO.

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    Think I first found out about Win XP support ending a year ago, maybe more? Since then we've tried to inform schools about it when we can. However as in most cases, there are always sites that 'miss' every piece of information about it, or there are schools that don't have a pro-active IT life cycle and are stuck due to lack of re-investment. From a LA support prospective, I'm sure we will see the occasional XP device after the cut off date. We will employ the usual 'best endeavours' stance, but at the end of the day, if it's broken due to XP, all we can say is upgrade and point out every pience of info we sent to schools over the past year to make them aware of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheridan View Post
    We only took over SIMS internally last year, and I never saw any mention of XP Support dying in the previous updates (Spring 2013 and Autumn 2012)

    We can upgrade a good few under existing licensing, but theres a lot of older kit (laptops) that would effectively need replacing. If I had my way we'll replace the lot, but with no budget its pretty difficult!
    XP has had it's day unfortunately.

    If you're stuck for budget, we can help you out with some rather cheap laptops running Win 7 Pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    true but when in cases you have been told that the pcs are to be run till they die and they arent capable of running win7 sensibly (512mb ram) what can you do
    Ouch! Even with XP, running SIMS .net on a device with 512MB RAM must be a struggle!

    Capita recently update their Hardware spec guide. While it's a rough spec sheet designed to meet all needs in various school sizes, 2GB is now the minimum recommendation for SIMS use, with 4GB recommended. Add FMS, Discover etc to the mix and the recommendation goes up!

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    We're stuck in the situation now where we've had little or no money for regular upgrades over the last few years, so we're left with a large amount of outdated kit. Theres not a lot we can do about it though - if the moneys not there you can't upgrade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheridan View Post
    We're stuck in the situation now where we've had little or no money for regular upgrades over the last few years, so we're left with a large amount of outdated kit. Theres not a lot we can do about it though - if the moneys not there you can't upgrade!
    Sounds like a catch 22 situation. No money to upgrade your hardware, and the hardware you have won't run SIMS because it's out of date and running XP.

    Maybe having a sit down with the bursa/SLT and explaining the current situation and how things will goes down hill if hardware is not addressed will result is some funding being scraped together?

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    I'm sure a lot of schools/colleges will still have a lot of XP kit in use - we can live with that for a while as long as the Staff (i.e SIMS) ones are upgraded. But this is the unfortunate effect of not having a regular, yearly refresh of equipment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawns View Post
    Ouch! Even with XP, running SIMS .net on a device with 512MB RAM must be a struggle!

    Capita recently update their Hardware spec guide. While it's a rough spec sheet designed to meet all needs in various school sizes, 2GB is now the minimum recommendation for SIMS use, with 4GB recommended. Add FMS, Discover etc to the mix and the recommendation goes up!
    the pcs in question are pupil suite pcs so don't have sims luckily but 7 year old Fuji e2500's are common in my schools luckily 2 school are upgrading their suites from these over summer but even then they are getting shipped to class though I might try win 8.1 on them they don't do 7 well enough for aero so imo they arnt capable of running win7

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    Im sure the school could find money to replace 100 machines. At £500 a wack

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    You wouldn't even need to spend £500.

    In my neck of the woods our local council's SIMS team invite staff to attend the regular SIMS meetings. Its usually a bursar or someone senior in the office who attends. At these meetings they always make the roadmap clear.

    If you don't go to the meetings its the Network Manager's job to watch stuff like this and insist on upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbo View Post
    insist on upgrades.
    All very well - but when you've just had redundancies and theres nothing left to spend you're not in a position to insist on anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheridan View Post
    All very well - but when you've just had redundancies and theres nothing left to spend you're not in a position to insist on anything.
    The thing is, the school still has to operate - redundancies or not. If the system they use for managing the school doesn't work because they haven't kept it funded then they can't run the school properly.

    You need to write down the urgent need for replacements and send it to the head. Highlight the Capita deadline, when XP runs out of support (and therefore the school being open to risk and therefore not complying with their legal obligations under principle 7 of the DPA), the minimum specs that SIMS requires and make it clear that without funding, SIMS will simply not work properly - which could put the children at risk due to data being inaccessible.

    If you put it all in writing, and they still refuse to do anything, then at least you're absolved of the responsibility - you can then do what you can to keep it running (which will be very little, but still).

    Remember - whatever the finance people tell you about the school having no money, it isn't normally true. It is simply a case of being a low priority area in their eyes and they feel other areas are more important.

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