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    Quote Originally Posted by 3s-gtech View Post
    Your SIMS server should be straightforward with the guides in place (essentially - detach the database, stop the services on old server, move data to new server, attach database, go). There's much more to it than that, but we've been through it a couple of times and it was fine.
    Thank you, that sounds hopeful, could you post a direct link to the definitive guide to doing this? Not one that has people posting further down saying 'you forgot this' or 'no, it's easier this way'

    Quote Originally Posted by supawat1 View Post
    Can you tell us of what is your IT network like? How many clients computer and servers do you have? How many PCs that are actually installed with SIMS?

    I just want to know what sort of scale you are talking about?
    Firstly I am thinking of the Server 2008 R2, we have a 2008 server which is only a print server and data store really. Hopefully I can just R2 it? Then this needs SQL installed then SIMS and FMS.

    Then, there are 13 teacher XP laptops that run SIMS, then 2 support XP laptops with SIMS, then 7 admin XP desktops which need SIMS (2 of which also need FMS).

    That's all that needs upgrading/replacing I think. None of which I had planned for the summer I had a million other things planned, which will now have to be put on the back-burner! Plus, our budget is closed now.... so I'm not sure how it will get done!

    Kol.
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    btw Windows 7 can run on 512Mb of RAM and Office 2010 can as well. Probably a bigger issue for you than the XP upgrade. Staff will hate moving from Office 2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazzy2501 View Post
    btw Windows 7 can run on 512Mb of RAM and Office 2010 can as well.
    Yes, and you can swim across the channel to france, I wouldn't recomend doing either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazzy2501 View Post
    btw Windows 7 can run on 512Mb of RAM and Office 2010 can as well.
    512 megabits = 64 megabytes of RAM.

    Sorry for being pedantic.
    Last edited by Arthur; 18th July 2013 at 03:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazzy2501 View Post
    Staff will hate moving from Office 2003.
    Oh, how I wish that had turned out to be true! Got lots of complaints trying to migrate from Office 2003 to OpenOffice 3. Not a murmur when we installed Office 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koldov View Post
    Firstly I am thinking of the Server 2008 R2, we have a 2008 server which is only a print server and data store really. Hopefully I can just R2 it? Then this needs SQL installed then SIMS and FMS.
    Why Server 2008 R2? Why not Server 2012? You'll get a longer life out of it, meaning you have to migrate next time further in the future.

    Works fine - we've been running SIMS off Server 2012 for a few months now. (Still on SQL 2008 though).

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    In the last year I Replaced the server / network and Sims clients at about 7 different schools. It does not actually take that long to do.

    migrating the GIG's of data they've saved on the C:\
    Just out of interest why are they not saving to a home drive on the server, that way they will always have the data no mater which computer they are at and makes installing a new pc simpler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    Just out of interest why are they not saving to a home drive on the server, that way they will always have the data no mater which computer they are at and makes installing a new pc simpler.
    Oh how lucky you are!! It normally goes like this...

    School: hey my pc broken, can you get all my files off it?
    IT: Ok, just this once but you should save it to the network so it gets backed up.

    [Few months pass]

    School: Hey the backups are failing.
    IT: OK lets have a look, mmm, why do you have 30GB of photos in your home drive?
    School: Oh, it's the photos from the school trip
    IT: Oh ok, what you need to do is transfer them onto your PC, then resize them then put the cut-down version on the network - and remove the duff ones - like the 90 pics of peoples hands

    [Few months pass]

    School: My PC died and I've got a load of photos on it I want off
    IT: I thought I said to save them onto the network?
    School: It took too long to crop them and resave them so I didn't bother.

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    Here they don't have a choice - neither staff nor students get access to C:, everything goes in their redirected Documents folder on the server.

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    just think of a standsrd folder name, say, nobackup, then get the staff to always save stuff they do not want backed up inside a folder they call nobackup. Then get the backup software not to backup any folders named nobackup using exclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutech4schools View Post
    just think of a standsrd folder name, say, nobackup, then get the staff to always save stuff they do not want backed up inside a folder they call nobackup. Then get the backup software to backup any folders named nobackup anyway.
    fixed

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    Yeah, thing is I inherited this set-up and I haven't been here long enough to start telling people what to do (I know there are ways and means and it will happen). They have home folders, they have shared drives, but one or two old skool colleagues prefer to use their local pc to store their data on the desktop and such as it's easier for them.

    Sooooooo....

    I read some post where someone above has done 7 network/server/SIMS installs in the last year... Is there a definitive guide on how to transfer SIMS from one server to the other that someone could link me to?

    Kol.

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    When i get chance (weekend) i will post some steps.

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    Ok. My method of installing SQL 2008r2.

    run installer
    click new install

    In features I select
    database engine features
    client tools connectivity
    client tools backwards compatibility
    management tools basic
    management tools complete
    next
    (if you wanted you could just select all for the above features)

    select named instance and type in SQL2008 (if installing sql2008 or sql200r2)
    instance id = SQL2008
    instance root = (I choose d:\program files\Microsoft SQL server)
    next

    service accounts = choose an account on the server that will run the services. I choose NT Authority/system. If you can not select what you need just skip this and add the service accounts later in services.msc
    next

    account provisioning = I choose mixed and type in an SA password and add an administrator in the bottom box.
    next

    think that is about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt40k View Post
    Oh how lucky you are!! It normally goes like this...

    School: hey my pc broken, can you get all my files off it?
    IT: Ok, just this once but you should save it to the network so it gets backed up.

    [Few months pass]

    School: Hey the backups are failing.
    IT: OK lets have a look, mmm, why do you have 30GB of photos in your home drive?
    School: Oh, it's the photos from the school trip
    IT: Oh ok, what you need to do is transfer them onto your PC, then resize them then put the cut-down version on the network - and remove the duff ones - like the 90 pics of peoples hands

    [Few months pass]

    School: My PC died and I've got a load of photos on it I want off
    IT: I thought I said to save them onto the network?
    School: It took too long to crop them and resave them so I didn't bother.
    I gave them this tool:http://www.realfiletools.com/free/photo-resize.htm

    They can actually use it, (if they don't I do it for them on the server ((all 1MB)



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