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    10.8 server

    Found some useful information regarding 10.8 server. Stating that server admin maybe removed and service administration will be done with the server app. Its clear that Apple is moving away from enterprise management to small business. To be fair in education this does not affect us really at all. It benefits users who may not be familiar with both server admin and workgroup manager. It takes me back to the server preferences which came in 10.6 and no one used it lol. But some interesting features on its way. Profile manager looks to be improving. Lets hope they have sorted all the annoying apache errors which are present in 10.7. At this rate I will be setting up profile manager for all mac devices instead of enrolling directly to open directory. I say exciting times ahead

    Article ref: Mountain Lion Server Preview – It’s All About Small Business [Feature] | Cult of Mac

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    Now if only they would update their documentation at the same time as making these changes...

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    You know Apple that won't be until the day of release. Hush Hush

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozzer View Post
    You know Apple that won't be until the day of release. Hush Hush
    They've still not updated the documents for server edition on the support section of their site since 10.6!! I'm kinda flapping in the wind here with 10.7 at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozzer View Post
    Stating that server admin maybe removed and service administration will be done with the server app.
    Hang on a minute... I thought they did this with 10.7?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom_pearson View Post
    Hang on a minute... I thought they did this with 10.7?
    They got rid of Workgroup Manager in 10.7, Server Admin is there but it is very simplistic. Advanced work requires the installation of the Server Tools pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I'm kinda flapping in the wind here with 10.7 at the moment.
    Have you seen the Lion white papers and guides...

    training.apple.com/lion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Have you seen the Lion white papers and guides...

    training.apple.com/lion
    I have. But at no point is that listed on their support page... Where most people will go for support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    They got rid of Workgroup Manager in 10.7, Server Admin is there but it is very simplistic. Advanced work requires the installation of the Server Tools pack.
    You can have both WGM and Server Admin on 10.7, you just need to download the server admin tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR-PCS View Post
    You can have both WGM and Server Admin on 10.7, you just need to download the server admin tools
    Yes, that's what I said? Kinda odd repeating what I said...

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Yes, that's what I said? Kinda odd repeating what I said...
    You said they got rid of WGM, so I was clarifying that they didn't get rid of it, you just need to download it. Your final sentence doesn't really clarify this at all.

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    As far as im aware WGM shouldn't be used on Lion clients as it can cause further issues. I must admit I have used it on my lion client but only to change settings for the 10.6 machines. I have had issues with WGM not being able to create,edit or change settings. It gives a permissions error. My advice would be to try and steer clear from WGM for lion clients and use the provided profile manager tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by HodgeHi View Post
    As far as im aware WGM shouldn't be used on Lion clients as it can cause further issues. I must admit I have used it on my lion client but only to change settings for the 10.6 machines. I have had issues with WGM not being able to create,edit or change settings. It gives a permissions error. My advice would be to try and steer clear from WGM for lion clients and use the provided profile manager tool
    Not seen or heard any issues with WGM on 10.7, and got loads of customers with this kind of set up. WGM has not really changed much such 10.5

    However this is my advice, always set preferences for a group using a mac with the same OS version that the group will be using:
    Example 1 10.6 OD server, set 10.6 client preferences using a 10.6 client with wgm installed on it. set 10.7 client preferences using a 10.7 client with wgm installed on it.
    Example 2 10.7 OD server, set 10.6 client preferences using a 10.6 client with wgm installed on it. set 10.7 client preferences using a 10.7 client with wgm installed on it.

    I hope that they don't get of workgroup manager, it can do much more than profile manager. I would be surprised if they did IMO.

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    I would have to agree I have not had an issue with WGM on 10.7. I too will truly miss using WGM. Lets hope they massively improve the reliability of profile manager!

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    Nowhere in the article does it say that WGM will be going, it just says that all the services are in Server.app. Hopefully there will be a server admin tools add-on with WGM included, though it will probably not have Server Admin this time.

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