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To me this is a BAD thing, though ...
21st October 2010, 10:09 AM #1
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New macbook air ships without flash
The new macbook air now ships without flash installed according to macrumours.com...
To me this is a BAD thing, though I can understand why they have done it, to make the battery life as good as possible. I do get the impression that:
"Steve hates adobe flash", and that by doing this he is shooting himself in the foot at the current time.
I guees his counter argument is that to get round this, he is launching the mac app store, so developers could remove the need for the browser to try and do everything online, and have better developed apps that remove the need for browser plugins. The ipad has already shown that developers are making apps that are conventionally browser based, but without the need to use safari. (a good example would be the bbc news app)
Others thoughts please...
21st October 2010, 10:19 AM #2
It could be they're fed up shipping their hardware with products that have security vulns discovered five minutes after install. Leaving aside the Apple/Adobe tantrums and name-calling, providing a means of easily grabbing the latest version as part of initial setup (as opposed to packaging a version months out of date) would ensure a more secure initial load.
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torledo (21st October 2010)
21st October 2010, 10:26 AM #3
Apple seem to be hitting the headlines a lot recently for all the wrong reasons. I wonder how long before people start going after apple for their business practices the same way people did to Microsoft.
Don't worry Steve, your ivory tower (built in california TM) will come tumbling down soon enough.
Apple's business practices stink.
21st October 2010, 10:55 AM #4
Absolute arrogance from the top at Apple, I agree with Disease, lots of bad press.
Can't wait for them to flop, soon......very soon!
21st October 2010, 11:27 AM #5
LMAO what about all their own security holes such as the ancient java version they were running (updated last night)
Originally Posted by pete
Thats a very weak argument tbh...
21st October 2010, 11:28 AM #6
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Its designed in california, built in china troll boys...
The major selling point of these is battery life, Flash still murders battery life on Linux/Unix machines.
21st October 2010, 11:31 AM #7
The less the internet relies on adobe flash the better imo.
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21st October 2010, 11:31 AM #8
What are china troll boys? Are they big enough to build a factory in?
Originally Posted by nicklec
21st October 2010, 11:40 AM #9
Makes sense. Apple is not a fan of Flash, and are trying their hardest to eliminate its usage. By releasing their computers without it on by default they force the hands of developers to move away from Flash.
We all know how annoying Flash is, in terms of memory and CPU drain. It isn't uncommon to go to a site which has a poorly coded Flash element and find that your 2.8Ghz quad core i7 suddenly spikes to 100% usage.
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21st October 2010, 11:42 AM #10
I'm not saying it's their argument - it's what I'd do in their situation. Any application that is known to get regular vulnerabilities wouldn't get installed as part of the default image on any hardware I was selling. As part of the initial setup I'd have a "patch OS, download and install add-on software" dialogue that let them connect it to the network, power it on, create their user account then have a cup of tea while it secures itself.
Originally Posted by ZeroHour
If I could get away with it, I'd also have something (for the novice) that warned them that $random_app was a bit rubbish and they might want to use $other_app instead (say foxit vs adobe reader).
21st October 2010, 12:04 PM #11
What version of Flash or Java does Microsoft Windows ship with? Is flash freely downloadable from the net and installable on OS X should you want it?
Can't see the fuss myself. By shipping the OS with Flash do Apple have to support it as part of the OS installation? Personally I'm surprised they ever shipped it at all.
21st October 2010, 12:31 PM #12
A complete non story..........
Apple have never shipped any Mac with Flash Player on it anyway??????
21st October 2010, 01:13 PM #13
Anything which helps kill off Flash is a very very very very (i cant stress my hatrid enough) good thing!
Wow, I never thought id agree with apples practices
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