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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by thom
    Yikes - what was that I said about fan boys?
    Apple are just good at making people angry... it's the lies I can't stand

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Lies? What lies? Are you telling me that my mac can't fly and make me toast?! Those dastardly sales people!

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Lies? The lie "Apple. It Just Works." springs to mind

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Lies? The lie "Apple. It Just Works." springs to mind
    Well, it does. You take it out of the box and turn it on and it just works. Introducing third party software and things like AD integration - now that doesn't 'just work' but it doesn't really sour the claim :P

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Well, I and some others tend to disagree

    User intervention is required and not everything is as rosey as fanboys make out; the only reason I can see for this is so they can re-assure themselves that it does work after they've paid a fortune for a fashion accessory.

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    As with most things, unfortunately, sensible, logical, intelligent people are in the minority... I do agree that they are shiny and would happily buy Mac hardware (it's all te same generic x86 crap) - install XP and freak out any fanboys that come near my useful computer.

    Have Apple seen Peep Show? I understand that being an unemployed, drug-taking, failed musician is 'cool' - but surely these people have no money? I'd rather be David Mitchell any day

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by mrforgetful
    The thing is, yes Macs are stable and reliable, but, if Microsoft said 'You must use this graphics card, this motherboard, this chipset, this southbridge, this audio, this monitor etc etc' then Windows would be solid too.
    absolutely.

    The price you pay for freedom and choice.
    Now that is just ridiculous, MS are about lock-in and lack of choice as much as Apple, except MS have been convicted for it.

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by mrforgetful
    if Microsoft said 'You must use this graphics card, this motherboard, this chipset, this southbridge, this audio, this monitor etc etc' then Windows would be solid too.
    I disagree; BSD and Linux manage just fine on the majority of hardware available today.

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    I like Apple kit ... I like Apple OSes (System 6 ... bring back System 6).

    I find they work very well and very easily for me.

    I also like XP, W2K Pro ... even NT4 wasn't too bad.

    I found DOS 6.22 quite ok.

    Solaris 2.6 is how I got into Unix ... and SuSE 6/7, then Red Hat of various flavours.

    I even like Vista and will probably find enough ways of making it do what I want.

    For me, the look and feel of Apple Kit and Apple OSes win out every time ... I find it just works with less problems other than things like websites that only want to work with IE, or software that is not cross platform ... and for that I now either use Parellels or Boot Camp.

    I know there are those that think they are a waste of money and yet another company that ties you in to hardware or proprietary software ... but for me they work ... and I do find that for a good number of students it is the same.

    But most people here know my preference ... I use what is appropriate but will tend towards a Mac running MacOS ... but failing that it would be a Mac running XP.

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    I don't want any Caks, sorry Macs near my network.
    Funny thing is I get asked questions about them every other day from the kids / staff etc - most of the questions are based on:

    " You know XYZ software that runs on Windows ? "
    " Yes " I reply
    " Do you know anything like it which will run on my Cak ? "

    Or

    " Know any good games which will run on my Cak ? "

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    wow ... I could be there for hours listing what they could use then ...

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    CyberNerd: I was talking strictly about hardware there.

    webman: I kind of agree. I had trouble last time I used Linux (admittedly a few years ago) because it didn't support USB mice. The trouble with Linux is it takes a lot longer to get support for some things. Sure if I was a progrmmer I'd love it.

    Besides, isn't this a Mac vs Vista thread, nothing to do with Linux lol (yeh it's easier to fight Apple)

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Well you brought it up :P

    Quote Originally Posted by mrforgetful
    Well no, it sums up Mac vs Windows, not Mac vs PC as they claim. What about Linux?

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Well you brought it up :P

    Quote Originally Posted by mrforgetful
    Well no, it sums up Mac vs Windows, not Mac vs PC as they claim. What about Linux?
    Ah dammit lol

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    Re: Mac Vs Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk
    Quote Originally Posted by thom
    and finally Apple stole lots of ideas off Microsoft and implemented them quicker (and better) but that is big businesses for you.
    I think you need to provide some elaboration for that one.
    Time Machine --> A hybrid of Volume Shadow Copies & System Restore
    Fast User switching was in XP before it was in OSX I think
    Widgets --> Can trace these back to at least IE 4.0's active desktop

    There is very little new and original in computing.
    Can we please concentrate on solving the problem instead of endless discussion of what manufacturer's name is branded on the handle of the screwdriver you're trying to solve the problem with?

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