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    I have had mine for all of an hour, and I am majorly disappointed. It is failing connection when going through a proxy, but if i turn the proxy off, it goes through fine (but unfiltered). I have been on the phone to Apple already, and its a known issue that sometimes it wont work with proxies, but not high on the list to fix as most people have a direct connection out apparently...

    Not a good start to the weeks trial!

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    Hmmm..instant problem - wouldnt want to use unfiltered - even if I had one, which I don't. Most schools I know use proxies, and they certainly wouldnt want unfiltered access, I am surprised that it is not a bigger issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    I probably would avoid it at least for a while longer but the decision will not be up to me. I am quite happy to use new tech as long as a) it is going to work and b) I can see a use for it.
    But surely those who tug the purse strings look to you to advise on what equipment will or won't work? If you can (and already have) identified issues with iPad's on your school network, then I know what I'd be telling the boss.

    As for the argument of giving kids new and different technologies to use, I wonder how many households with kids of junior school age actually have iPad's? Far better for them to learn on 'conventional' and common place equipment in their early years, and then move onto specialist OS and equipment later in their education. It doesn't take long to become proficient in a new OS - a few weeks at most. No need to shove new technology in the kids faces at a young age, IMHO.

    Just my 2p...

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    My nearly 6 year old daughter exclaimed last night that she wanted an ipad jsut as the advert came on.

    She said that she wanted to use it for her school writing so that she could just show the teacher it on there.

    Aw bless.

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    My nearly 6 year old daughter exclaimed last night that she wanted an ipad jsut as the advert came on.

    She said that she wanted to use it for her school writing so that she could just show the teacher it on there
    Cute, but what's wrong with pen, crayons and paper at 6 years old? Maybe I'm too old fashioned.... ?

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    Indeed there is nothing wrong with those I was suprised by her comments to be honest, she loves writing and drawing.

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    It's a bigscreen iphone so basically you have a web browser, ipod music and video player and whatever apps you get on the store.

    The OS is well hardened so lockdown isn't an issue however it is also simplistic and there seem to be allot of problems with DHCP, DNS and proxy servers when used on any network more complicated than a ADSL / Cable modem + wireless router setup. So from a technical standpoint they are on shakey ground in schools.

    From an educational standpoint all they have going for them is a web browser with no storage or printing facilities so of limited use for research. Unless some educational software is approved by apple and released on the istore I don't see them having any practical use in schools. If such software existed it would also need to be bought once for every ipad + the cost of a class set of ipads makes me find it hard to believe any such app wouldn't have a much cheaper alternative.

    I think netbooks or a linux or windows based Slates are a much better investment. HP and acer have interesting Slate devices coming if you are looking for something with an alternative interface which is more tactile for youngsters.

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    Right well, the ipad is going back, until proxy and DNS issues are fixed, we wont be buying it. No need to carry on for the rest of the week trial as it would prove futile!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teth View Post
    It's a bigscreen iphone so basically you have a web browser, ipod music and video player and whatever apps you get on the store.

    The OS is well hardened so lockdown isn't an issue however it is also simplistic and there seem to be allot of problems with DHCP, DNS and proxy servers when used on any network more complicated than a ADSL / Cable modem + wireless router setup. So from a technical standpoint they are on shakey ground in schools.

    From an educational standpoint all they have going for them is a web browser with no storage or printing facilities so of limited use for research. Unless some educational software is approved by apple and released on the istore I don't see them having any practical use in schools. If such software existed it would also need to be bought once for every ipad + the cost of a class set of ipads makes me find it hard to believe any such app wouldn't have a much cheaper alternative.

    I think netbooks or a linux or windows based Slates are a much better investment. HP and acer have interesting Slate devices coming if you are looking for something with an alternative interface which is more tactile for youngsters.
    Thank you, this, and nephilims proxy issues, are exactly the sort of thing that I am looking for. Presumably there is an app with word/excel/etc-type applications - can you save stuff created in these? Or print them?

    Quote Originally Posted by theeldergeek View Post
    But surely those who tug the purse strings look to you to advise on what equipment will or won't work? If you can (and already have) identified issues with iPad's on your school network, then I know what I'd be telling the boss...
    Yes, he will listen to me if I can give him very good reasons why buying ipads is not the best way forward for the school - hence this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    No need to carry on for the rest of the week trial as it would prove futile!
    Is it not worth carrying on so you can find other pitfalls/problems/benefits, then deliver a report saying "iPads could be useful for x and y, but not until a and b have been sorted"?

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    If we cannot get it to connect properly on our network, even after spending 3 hours on the phone to apple tech support, and THEY say that it is not possible to do so, why should we continue. I am not connecting it to itune as we do not have an account set up yet (we will do IF we trial it again and they have fixed the bugs) Until the issues are fixed, my boss, my techs and I are all of the same opinion that it will waste time.

    No proxy is the biggest issue for us, as I am sure it would be for others!

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    I was sent some links with regards to an Apple guy who works in the education sector.

    Have a read and see what you think:
    Digital Roadtrip

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    Also this may be of some interest. Not sure how well it works though. Never tried it. But i might give it a bash

    ActivePrint Lite for iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad on the iTunes App Store

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    I've had an iPad since Monday, and i can already see a few Educational uses, but whether it would be suitable for a large scale rollout is an entirely different matter. However, I shall put down a few thoughts/ideas:

    1, At present, I wouldn't want to support anymore than 5 iPads within a school. Each would need to be setup individually, and locked down accordingly (not difficult, but time consuming). In addition to this, you would need to set each of them up with a static IP address to avoid the "not releasing IP address" issue.

    2, As far as I can make out, Apps are linked to the account they were bought with, not the device itself. Therefore you would only need to buy one app, which could then be synced onto multiple devices. This would bring the cost of ownership right down when you consider the cost of iWorks being spread across 1-5+ iPads. Not 100% sure on this however.

    3, To share documents would be relatively easy using something like Dropbox (free and with 2gb of space). The only issue would be students deleting other students work if the iPad is shared around. However, if its on a 1 per student basis, then there are a lot of ways to get work from an iPad to a teacher which are quick an easy.

    4, I've had no issue connecting to the school internet for general browsing and email. However, I have been completely unsuccessful in getting anything to stream (YouTube, Google Earth etc) onto the iPad. Whilst extremely disappointing, this is not the end of the world.

    5, You could, of course, Remote desktop from the iPad onto a computer. However this is largely redundant, but could be useful. the Remote Desktop software is free.

    6, there are some amazing apps out there. For those that don't see the potential, especially for Primary school kids, I would advise you to check out the Toy Story interactive book at least. Combine this with the Dictionary App, the Wikipanion App, Planets App and Virtuoso (a basic piano) and I think the potential is there for this to become a great device to use in education. It is well worth checking out the Educational Apps on the Apple Store before dismissing the iPad.

    7, Adobe Ideas is turning into one of my favourite Apps. The ability to just doodle is great, plus you can import pictures to draw on top of and all can be sent directly from the app via email as a PDF.

    8, In fact, there are a lot of great drawing Apps, but I haven't tested them as I don't have any talent in that area... This is a similar case with the Music apps.

    9, For a cheaper (and more basic) option of Office, try DocsToGo, effective for text and spreadsheets, but you can't import pictures (yet anyway).

    10, You would definately need to buy a cloth with every iPad, the screen gets covered very quickly!

    In conclusion, I think you could introduce an iPad or maybe a group of them, and they would be effective as long as the teacher wanted them, and made the most of the Apps that are available now, and was aware of new Apps in the future. I wouldn't dismiss the iPad as an educational tool just yet, but I wouldn't introduce it wholesale either.

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    thanks simpsonj, that is so helpful. So you havent had the proxy problems nephilim had?
    Sorry to be dim, but am I right in saying you can't save docs etc - unless you have something like Dropbox? Which is what exactly?
    I just can't get my head around how useful they would be - I get that some of the educational apps are great, and I will have a look when I get home (Can't unblock here!!!) but as we are looking at a top end of about 10 of these, a whole class couldnt have one each so I'm not sure what they could do.
    You mention the setting up and locking down - would you mind giving me a few more details of what needs to be done?
    I know I sound dim but I am working blind here.
    so, if I read it right, you are saying that the iPad is good as an extra resource, but it wouldnt be any good 'instead' of a computer.
    It all comes down to what my boss wants and what he can afford.
    Anyone else?

    *thanks for the links guys but again they are ALL BLOCKED - thanks SWGfL

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