Mac Thread, Macs & Networking Issues in Technical; Hi folks!
I'm after a big favour for a colleague... please read on .
I have a teacher I know ...
1st February 2008, 08:32 PM #1
1st February 2008, 10:16 PM #2
You've probably already discovered this, but there's a couple of threads in the Mac forums where this has been discussed a few times. See http://www.edugeek.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17
Originally Posted by edusites
Are these machines on a network at all, or are they just simply stand-alone machines? Obviously you won't be able to back pupils work up properly to a server without a network connection. You don't necessarily have to have them properly wired into a network either, you could just use one Mac as a "server" (although buy a proper one if you can afford it) and plug them all in to one cheap (£100) network switch (I'd go for something gigabit-capable and fanless) with patch cables (bendy nylon cable tidy comes in handy in these cases).
Also, I'm not connecting them up to the net or our network at school as I just need the pupils the be able to use Photoshop and do editing...is this going to adversely effect them in any way.
A product called DeepFreeze will stop pupils tinkering with the settings on individual machines.
2nd February 2008, 06:27 PM #3
ROFLMAO ... Whhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa
Originally Posted by edusites
I sorry but I am hurting from laughing...... he heard they "just work".... heh heh...
I can't type any more ... heh heh.. LMAooooo
2nd February 2008, 06:33 PM #4
Sorry back now...
Originally Posted by edusites
We have Mac's on our Domain and we have a seperate Apple Server that is basically a stand alone Domain for Music..
As to configure Apple's to work on a PC network with all the AD shares and security without a decent understanding of Apples is near impossible....
If he want's to make a standalone domain so that the users use Photoshop and users have their own areas he has to create new user accounts on the "Apple Network" these can be imported from a CSV..
I cannot understand why a Network Manager would be so naive and quite frankly.. stupid .... to think that they'll just work.....
There are members on Edugeek that will correct me regarding the Apples... but they know and understand Apples and how to properley configure them to a PC domain..
Last edited by Grommit; 2nd February 2008 at 06:35 PM.
2nd February 2008, 11:43 PM #5
Hi Richard, good to see you on here at last.
A few things to get your friend to run through first.
There are 3 ways of running Macs.
1 - You can have an account or set of accounts on each local machine and hope no-one stuffs them up.
2 - You can have a Mac Network controlled by a Mac server and not worry about the windows stuff.
3 - You can have it tied into the rest of your network and make use of files on the Windows servers.
If you are looking at number one then each group can only use a single machine if that is where their work is stored ... it also means someone has to create the individual accounts. Take an Art course at KS4. You have 2 sets in each year and each set has 28 students. You break the students into groups of 4 ... so you have 7 x 2 x 2 ... 28 groups. You have a suite of 7 machines ... so you create 4 accounts on each machine. One machine 1 you do 11Art1a,11Art2a, 10Art1a, 10Art2a ... machine 2 you do 11Art1b, 11Art2b, 10Art1b and 10Art2b ... and so on. You then also need to make sure that this work is being backed up .. so someone has to go round each machine and copy the work onto an external drive ... or you get students to do it periodically.
Number 2 might be the easiest ... get a box in as a Mac Server (a MacPro often works out cheaper than an xserve ... but we are using a Mac Mini at the moment) and get an Apple Solutions Expert to come in and configure it. You get networked storage space, greater control over what gets done on the machines and it is easier to sort when people fiddle around with them (they can 'just work' ... as long as you don't have little darlings that are intent or fiddling!) ... there is some other middleware that will do some of this for you that the Network Manager may prefer ... MacAdministrator from Hi-Resolution is still the best of the bunch.
Number 3 gets interesting ... as you may have discovered from posts on this forum. You even have to be careful when selecting an Apple Solutions Expert to deal with this ... and a few members here can recommend people they work with. There are greater benefits ... a larger amount of storage space ... the ability to continue with certain aspects of work away from the specialist machines (ie the write-ups and coursework that go along with most courses nowadays) ...
I hope this goes someways to giving a bit more info.
I would also say to point your friend at Ross2k5's articles in the Mac forum. There are a number of schools that can give advice via the ICT Register too. If you want any more info there are a few schools in Northants that can help out, including a few in Corby.
2nd February 2008, 11:46 PM #6
Also moved to the Mac Forum (with a link left in the network and classroom management forum)
3rd February 2008, 07:16 AM #7
I have to say that the origional post soounds more like a spam advert. No one goes out and buys a ton of Macs becuase they've 'heard' they just work (incedentally, they crash just as much as Windows boxes, they just look prettier when they do it!).
A very fishy thread. Besides, Windows boxes when correctly installed, configured and maintained are about as reliable as they have ever been. The software running on them in schools however leaves a lot to be deisired!
3rd February 2008, 07:19 AM #8
And no one apart from the writers of the US origionated spam I often receive begins an email 'Hey Richard'!
3rd February 2008, 12:10 PM #9
Richard is genuine, but I gather that there is some difference in how the original request for help would have been phrased had it come from the network manager directly and not from one of the media teachers.
Some stuff has been lost in translation
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