mac_shinobi (10th April 2014)
1) At least the solid base unit enclosure for the laptop range using a solid aluminium block instead of plastic which if lent on with some weight or if taken apart wrongly gives way / snaps / breaks etc
2) I prefer the back lit keyboard that you get with it as standard
3) High res screen - not looked at alternative laptops so can't comment on this point to be fair
4) I do to some extent think gpu's on the laptop range should be better for what you pay
I know the newer mbp's have items glued in place so am not keen on the newer ones for this as makes repairs a total PITA
If however you are referring to the new mac pro then I would say its value for money ( @Arthur posted a link on this as the dual graphics cards would normally equate to a lot of ££££ and thats without the xeon cpu's, ram etc etc
I enjoy apple devices more as a home user as
1) They work and if I have any issues I can book to go into an apple store and they sort issues out ( have not had to do that often )
2) I don't have to deal with issues that I generally have to deal with on windows machines at work ranging from driver issues / hard drive or ram going faulty / having to use free tools to get rid of malware due to the current AV solution being either mis-configured or generally rubbish / DNS Issues / windows BSOD's etc
3) In comparison to linux I don't have to know a lot or do stuff on the command line. Install and go pretty much. That's not to say I don't want to learn but when its at home I just want to power it on and it work and not be greeted by errors on linux or windows etc that I then have to google and spend time on as I use it as a media and internet browsing device. I would much rather use a separate laptop for learning linux or other things in a vm so if it does go wrong then it's not an issue
I suppose everything is down to circumstances ie how much budget the person has, what there personal preferences are, what suits there requirements better etc etc
Only mac I currently have is a 2011 mac mini
I'm not saying Apple machines aren't well made, but at their price they're no better than any other high end non-Apple machine.
Basically, my 'grief' is that the Apple build quality argument is flawed because people never factor in the cost. Yeah, an equally specced non-Apple device may not be as well made because it'll generally be at the mid-range end of the scale, but an equally priced machine will be as well made and have higher spec because in the non-Apple world, the price would put it on the high end of the scale.
TL;DR - Apple products are generally not good VFM
Last edited by LosOjos; 10th April 2014 at 07:07 PM.
I originally went (plastic) MacBook in 2007 because I felt it would last better than a similar PC laptop. It's still going actually and nothing has fallen off!
My last 2 MacBook pro's are just fantastic. I love the solid aluminium that they are carved from. I've not come across anything like that is terms of rigidness.
IBM Carbon X1, bloody amazing, they even do a AIO that looks like a imac too, when I went to Microsoft HQ in London I had to say I had to look twice as it looked like they all had imac lol! Have a look at the Dell Latitude 6430u, just got one at work and it's amazing, assuming you've got the SSD fitted, even with 4gb ram it's quick.
Thing I like about the Mac is there is just one. Does that make sense? They don't do a cheap version, even their cut down cheap mac mini is £500 - they don't cut corners. It's not like you need to worry about that 6GB laptop only having a celeron in it. So I can see the benefit if you can't be bothered to waste hours researching the market, you can pretty much just walk into an Apple store with at least £1k and walk out with a good machine that will last you years and years. Also they are pretty regular when it comes to releasing new models, rather then PCs which a new CPU comes out, then a new gpu a few months later - good if you replace a part every few months.
I previously got a Mac Mini that was in a bit of bad shape for £30, managed to get it working and it was alright, good build quality just slow, well what do you expect for £30. I'm tempted to go buy a new one, but at £500, it'll be a while. I don't think I'll get anything else as it's not worth it for me. I mean my PC cost me £200 and I've spent maybe another £350 on it. If someone put £1k in my hand I'd get a Mac Mini and spend the rest on more important things. Finance is a no-no when it comes to computers. One thing I will say, my mate sold his iPad then spend a extra few quid and got himself a new iPad, he also does it with his MacBook, that makes sense, it's like buying warranty, only you get a new one every few years - Apple machines do hold their value quite well.
I did read the post and appreciate it's difficult to get an equivalent given the premium Apple tend to charge. I'll admit I've not seen any recent examples but from experience of Dell's Alienware and XPS ranges in the past I've come away really disappointed at how poorly put together and finished they are for £1000+ computers/laptops. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt as quite a few on here have posted saying how good they are now though.
That carbon X1 looks nice but it's even more expensive than a MacBook Air!
Last edited by flyinghaggis; 10th April 2014 at 07:43 PM.
The advantage of "the cult of Apple" is that people will sell their soul for one, so those that can't afford the latest model will happily pay close to 3/4 for the previous model. My own builds I tend to sell off the valuable parts (RAM, GPU) and put the rest in to my spares bin or reuse them in my next build (tower, PSU for example). When it comes to retaining value, I will admit Apple has the upper hand.
Horrible argument that's been done to death.
If you need max osx, buy a mac
If you need windows, buy a pc
If you buy a mac SOLELY to use windows, you're a moron.
mthomas08 (11th April 2014)
Macs have their benefits but they are not magically immune to problems or much or even any better than an alright PC as opposed to a bargain-basement spec pc with valueram, a $20 PSU and a postage stamp sized MSI motherboard with a via chipset which is what gives PSs a bad name.
One thing to note about this debate is that non-Apple PCs seem to have a lot more flexibility for upgrades and user repairs than Macs.
For example, the white Intel iMacs came apart OK but then trying to get it back together nearly always results in parts not fitting together properly again. I've not seen that on any non-Apple PCs.
It's only getting worse too, as Apple reduce user serviceability from services.
So, build quality is all about perception in my view.
I will (grudgingly) admit my 2007 plastic MacBook is still not only in perfect working order, but perfect comestic order.
This used to be in continuous class room use, with a highly challenging class at a special school.
I also have a 2007 Acer Aspire which is also in perfect working order, but the plastic has faded.
At least you can say Apple use superior quality plastic!
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