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Mac Thread, ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr in Technical; Originally Posted by localzuk We do not need the same level of quality in school's as a professional studio So ...
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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk
    We do not need the same level of quality in school's as a professional studio
    So we don't need macs then?

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    There is a difference between reducing your spend a bit and avoiding a system altogether. Providing macs will open up an entirely new computing experience to kids. It will open up access to Garageband etc...

    Sure you can get PC software for it, but it will simply not provide the basic level that would be best for them.

    We should be looking at providing the best solution for teaching and learning - and for music, this is via Mac's.

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Quote Originally Posted by russdev
    Please use one of many 100000000 of threads on mac vrs pc. Lets stick with what op wanted which is advice on buying mac's.

    Russell
    I think I have opened a can here. sry!

    Did I mention that we already have a music class with 15 PC's working fine with keyboards, software etc. so not sure why the change.

    Also, like to point out that ok, I don't like Macs that much, but I have used them and support them at my Wifes company and I know that they are more than capable, its just that why did we need to change to them, when we have a working system and all we wanted to do was add more and incorporate them to our studio. It's going to make more work to get these all working/intergrated, that was my beef anyways.

    lol, but thanks for you suggestions, keep em coming.

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    A lot of music software is better supported/runs faster (apparently) on macs. Some music software is EXCLUSIVELY for macs too.

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Feck me, if you have absolutely no idea what your talking about, which alot of people on here obviously dont, why try and knock the FACT that real soundcards are better than integrated ones.

    Who said anything about quality? I didnt, i was talking about latency. And if you had ANY idea about how to make and use music you would know that latency is far more important than quality (to start with as you can always a mix down on a good quality one later, you cant work on a high latency soundcard, it just doesnt work)

    And who started the mac vs PC? Again, i didnt. All i stated was that i disagreed with someones statement that learning mac will put you in good sted to work in a studio.


    Like ive said twice now, if you dont know what your talking about... Go do some research if you dont believe me. Im not sitting here and explaining the ins and outs of why. Next time you buy a GFX card for games are you going to ask the ins an outs of why its better to have a real one? No you most likely arnt are you, so why question a similar situation on soundcards.


    And obviously a 2:1 in computer science doesnt include a module on reading what is written and not inventing stories from thin air. Where exactly did i say anything about buses? I was talking about real soundcards and integrated ones, not PCI, USB, Firewire etc. You can still have a crap Firewire soundcard.


    Oh and i think you'll find that the home studio in my bedroom will be far better than a studio in a university thanks. And since one of our mates OWNS a record label... but no you dont want to know about that, you want personal experiances... oh wait

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    "Oh and i think you'll find that the home studio in my bedroom will be far better than a studio in a university thanks."

    That's a VERY bold claim.........what's your sound proofing like?

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Its not a recording "real" instrument/vocals studio, its a production studio so no need for it thanks

    BTW i wasnt talking overall as obviously the uni will have more due to shear volume of users. But on a per computer basis...

    Beside i dont even know why i said that as its got sweet FA to do with anything as all you need to produce music is a computer and a soundcard, you dont even need a keyboard

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Quote Originally Posted by torledo
    Quote Originally Posted by Ross2k5
    We have a Macpro and that looks quite nice in our server raq We also can do link aggregated gigabyte We have 80 machines setup her and does the trick
    It may look good (although I'm dubious as to how good it actually looks if you can't lay it on it's side - surely it doesn't fit a 19" rack when layed on it's side)..but a MacPro in a 19 inch rack does absolutely nothing for front-to-back airflow in your rack which is an issue even if you're using comfort cooling - plus how many U's are you wasting by having a MacPro ? when you could have several Xserve's occupying the same space, the MacPro is performance wise equivalent to the xserve with increased expansion slots and greater internal storage - and it's a good choice for a server but the MacPro is a very different kettle of fish to a mac mini as a 'server'
    We had quite a bit of space in our raq. Plus its quite happy in the small room with a very big air conditioning unit. If we had the money for the xserve and i was involved int he discussions we would of bought one

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    j17sparky - you are possibly the rudest person I have come across on this site, why do you need to be so combative??

    You are stating, as fact, that onboard sound cards are high latency - which is simply not the case with Mac onboard equipment. It is not the case for most brands of onboard soundcard either. Many now have their own processors so as to not need the CPU (which compares with ones of old which relied on the CPU and therefore suffered with latency problems). An example, the one in my iMac is of high enough quality to have a low latency for music purposes, and ones (the same model) have been used for just that. However, yes, high quality sound cards do have advantages in some aspects, but latency is not one of them with new mac's. It is not one with many new PC's either.

    Your comparison to graphics cards is a red herring. A graphics card that is onboard has its own processor (but shares memory in most cases). There is no 'latency' issue - so sound is unique in this aspect.

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Quote Originally Posted by Joedetic
    "Oh and i think you'll find that the home studio in my bedroom will be far better than a studio in a university thanks."

    That's a VERY bold claim.........what's your sound proofing like?
    And considering they spent £2.5m quid on the 3 studio's I seriously doubt it!

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    ^ Best phone RME up then and tell them they'll be going out of bussiness.


    The reason i got annoyed (barrring im feeling rather ill today) is like i said, why talk about something you clearly have no clue about? If you are just guessing what is the point in the forum? I could have a stab in the dark at anythhing, doesnt mean its right. People come on here for *good* advice, stabs in the dark based on assumtions is not good advice.


    Oh and thanks, atleast im the best at something

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Thats the thing - I am not taking wild stabs in the dark. You have no idea about my background, I have none about yours. Stories about 'friends' and 'friends stuff' are useless at best.

    I have made my point about sound cards in modern computers, having dealt with the issue *in a school* and *in a university* (note they are both educational establishments, and this is about a school wanting something similar), and another user has pointed out his experience with a USB keyboard - your response has simply been to tell them that they need their ears testing and that I know nothing. All it makes me think is to ignore your comments as near enough trolling...

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Rule #1 (at least, for me): If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    If the sound of what you have is good, use it and don't worry about whether it could be better. Adding cards, killing existing audio, resolving interrupts and the like are worthwhile if the sound is not satisfactory for your purpose, but if it is good enough, use it. Check for the noise floor of the card and see if you can pick up any persistent tones with spectrum analysis. Check the real dynamic range as well. Do all that visually with <insert favorite software>.

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    So wait there, sorry, your £2.5m studios didnt include real soundcards?

    I have heard and experianced integrated soundcards. I managed to get one down to 20 odd ms (which is rather good) but for live music and production it is simply not good enough.

    When you record what is the most important things? Hitting the correct keys and hitting them in time to the music? Yes? So for the sake of £50 (ie far less than the price differance between pc and mac ) why disadvantage the kids by forcing them to use an integrated soundcard?
    Plus non-integrated soundcards suffer from interfearance and looping issues far less.

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    Re: ok, here we go, we need macs.......... oooeeerrrr

    Can i maybe just point out here that this isn't for industry grade production.

    So "for the sake of 50 quid" on every machine....that's what...(i cant remember how many machines he wants)...another box or another midi keyboard or two?

    This is education after all.

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