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    It's not a bad price at all - it's actually good *ERK*swoon*zzzzzzzzz* value. Yup, shock horror.

    For what it is. It's overspecced, over designed and possibly overengineered (TBC) compared to what could have been done to both preserve performance and cost *BUT* the direct comparisons speak for themselves. As I've already said, even as an Apple Hater (as per my blog post, that's a hate of the company, not so much the products before anyone starts) it seems like steps are being made in the right direction. I suspect the majority of the more discerning "pro's" would have something tweaked more to their field of requirement than an off the shelf product but each to their own. Most properly tweakable products (mac pro's upgrade ability notwithstanding) don't come with OSX.
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    At the end of the day it all comes down to preference, I wouldn't buy one, the upgradability isn't great plus you have to be careful as Mac OS doesn't work with all hardware only some and with this price tag it seems silly to buy one of these when you can buy an over powered desktop with future proofing for less than this premium price tag from Apple, I see Apple as a fashion accessory rather than a powerful device for productivity. It is a real neat design though I guarantee like most Apple products it will be based on laptop hardware (correct me if I'm wrong - I haven't done any research!). For a cheaper price with not a great deal difference in performance I'd buy an Alienware laptop, great for upgradability and it's a laptop so can take it anywhere and it runs my personal favorite operating system, Windows. Then I'd just shove a VMWare Mac machine on it if I wanted Mac.... We are a school that consists of 70 Macs and around half of them have gone bump already with hard drives failing or the CPU overheating, the fans just stop working. So I don't think they are the most well built devices, but I suppose if you put hardware into a thick aluminium case with hardly any vents you're asking for trouble. Although it looks pretty

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbillbridgnorth View Post
    It is a real neat design though I guarantee like most Apple products it will be based on laptop hardware (correct me if I'm wrong - I haven't done any research!).
    Although you can get mobile workstations with Xeon processors and (MXM) Quadro/FirePro graphics, the Mac Pro is definitely not using laptop parts - other than perhaps the PCIe SSD which looks similar to the SSD used in the rMBP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Although you can get mobile workstations with Xeon processors and (MXM) Quadro/FirePro graphics, the Mac Pro is definitely not using laptop parts - other than perhaps the PCIe SSD which looks similar to the SSD used in the rMBP.
    I think it was @localzuk ( aka Tony ) that mentioned about with it being a work station and only supporting up to 64gb of RAM, so just wanted to say that it is a shame that it doesn't support more ram !!

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    New Mac Pro gives Windows 7 the heave-ho, won't run in Boot Camp « Digital Trends

    If you were looking forward to dual-booting Windows 7 on the brand new Mac Pro, you’re out of luck. According to allegedly leaked support documents, Apple has dropped Boot Camp support for Windows 7, making Microsoft’s most popular desktop operating system incompatible with Cupertino’s cylindrical powerhouse.

    The documents reveal that the Mac Pro, which will sport Boot Camp 5, will only support Windows 8/8.1.

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    Boot camp 5 with mavericks ? May have to use vmware fusion for win 7?

    But then may not be as good as it directly using the hardware ie for games / 3D stuff

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    So can you still install windows 7 on it on it's own? (Idle interest. That way I can find out who I can go and punch for being so stupid in the first place! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    So can you still install windows 7 on it on it's own? (Idle interest. That way I can find out who I can go and punch for being so stupid in the first place! )
    I don't have that kind of money for a new mac pro so not an issue lol

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    Unfortunately i'll have to wait a couple of years for someone to scrap one for me to get my dirty engineering mitts on. I really do want to get one apart and poke it in a manner unfitting an expensive bit of kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    Unfortunately i'll have to wait a couple of years for someone to scrap one for me to get my dirty engineering mitts on. I really do want to get one apart and poke it in a manner unfitting an expensive bit of kit
    As in repair it or as in a hammer to destroy it lol

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    What an amazing bit of technology! Custom built PC or this??? Hmmmm....

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    To poke holes in it's design mostly, because it appears shoddy. But you know me well enough by now to know why I like to get my hands on anything possible so I can make a proper judgement of it.

    Last piece of Apple hardware I was happy with in this respect had a PowerPC processor in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    it is a shame that it doesn't support more RAM!
    The Mac Pro now supports 128GB RAM (unofficially).

    Cheaper 128GB RAM kit for 2013 Mac Pro now available « VR-Zone

    A few weeks back, Transcend launched its 128GB RAM kit for the 2013 Mac Pro. Becoming the first company to do so. The luxury to bump RAM that high comes at a price: Transcend’s kit cost $2,480. With OWC jumping into the ring, customers now have choice. Announced today, OWC’s 128GB RAM kits are compatible with 6-Core, 8-Core and 12-Core models of the new Mac Pro. The company says that these modules are fully tested and qualified to handle the most demanding applications, and are covered by its Lifetime Advance Replacement Warranty.

    However, there is a limitation that must be kept in mind. Presumably this may be the reason why Apple doesn’t officially let people bump RAM up to 128GB. Due to the limitations of the Intel chipset in the 2013 Mac Pro, these 128GB RAM kits run at 1066MHz, whereas smaller kits can reach speeds as high as 1866MHz. Though OWC brushes speed differences aside claiming that they’re minimal.

    The OWC MaxRAM 128GB RAM kit, essentially a bundle of 32GB x 4 modules, costs $2,129.99. Customers who opt for OWC’s modules save nearly $350 over Transcend’s kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abillybob View Post
    upgradability isn't great
    Expandability is fantastic though!


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