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    Re: new imacs

    Don't get me wrong ... I like and use MS systems ... I like and use Apple solutions ... I like and use a variety of *nix solutions.

    I just don't see why people get so bothered about schools that choose to go down a particular line ... especially after they have sat down and worked out which will have the most impact.

    Then again, I also get tired with vampire threads cropping up ... and trolling can be amusing when done properly, but it gets boring when people say the same thing again and again in spite of people actually spending time responding to them in earlier threads. It actually detracts from the discussions particular forums are made for.

    Back to the original topic ... it looks like I might be able to get a good deal with the older Macs so I will pick them up instead of the new ones ... but it means getting an order in first thing on monday morning.

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    Re: new imacs

    Macs take less time to manage when they work. They take more time to manage when they don't.

    Macs are much less painful without OS X server. I feel quite qualified to talk about it now seeing as I've been using it for over a year here and have even done the apple server courses.

    OS X server is *usable* with AD integration if you have unix and scripting experience, you will send a lot of time at the command line. As a "Managed" network OS, OS X is rubbish (so was windows for a long time).

    As a client the Mac experience has gradually become more enjoyable, now that we have the nice native CS3 rather than CS2 crashes have mostly been eliminated. Like windows it does have its flaws still. There is no system level 802.1x support, printing - yes just printing in general. The Open directory is also a pain to get working as Apple broke the startup order with an early 10.4 release on the intel macs.

    I wasn't really anti Mac but I hadn't used them much, when the Mini came out I decided to buy one on the day of release! A year after this we got specialist status for the arts so we started to look into replacing the machines in Art and Music.

    We have a number of Mac enthusiasts in the Art and Music departments who know what they are doing with the macs so we decided to go the mac route. It was more expensive than PCs I will admit, but this was mostly due to the fact we decided to go for a supporting mac server structure and storage at the same time which would have been in place with windows.

    I have spent much time since swearing at OS X, much the same as I have with windows. Would I swap them for PCs now? I don't think I would, now that I have most things running it has become less work and there is one area that has been a huge success.

    The work produced by the students has been astounding. During an arts week I saw an amazing video produced with istopmotion on the macs. I'm sure this could be done on the PCs too, but if good things are happening does it matter on what?

    Its not like going to the dark side you know, you just happen to have Macs and PCs, much like you can have Windows and linux. One system will always be easier to manage, but multiple doesn't have to be unworkable.

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    Re: new imacs

    Macs take less time to manage when they work. They take more time to manage when they don't.
    I would put that down to experience.
    I've come from the other direction, with 7 years Mac experience and have had to deal with the ups and downs of Mac OS X Server from its initial release. Last summer we moved authentication from OD to AD to allow us to fully intergrate PC's into the network.

    99% of mac problems i can fix pretty fast. but the 25% of computers which are Windows can be a real pain in the butt to fix.

    As GrumbleDook said having a mixed platform in schools gives students transferable skills.
    Also you wont believe how many staff ask if they can take their iBooks with them when they leave to another school.

    EDIT: forgot to say 26 are on order!

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    Re: new imacs

    I am begging to love Macs now they are so reliable, now with boot camp & Intel processors you can have Mac OSX & Windows. I think Macs will be more popular in the next few years.

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    Re: new imacs

    Quote Originally Posted by gaz350
    Macs take less time to manage when they work. They take more time to manage when they don't.
    I would put that down to experience.
    I've come from the other direction, with 7 years Mac experience and have had to deal with the ups and downs of Mac OS X Server from its initial release. Last summer we moved authentication from OD to AD to allow us to fully intergrate PC's into the network.

    99% of mac problems i can fix pretty fast. but the 25% of computers which are Windows can be a real pain in the butt to fix.

    As GrumbleDook said having a mixed platform in schools gives students transferable skills.
    Also you wont believe how many staff ask if they can take their iBooks with them when they leave to another school.

    EDIT: forgot to say 26 are on order!
    It actually to do with userbase. There are far more people encountering more unusual issues with windows so you are more likely to find a solution.

    Some stuff on os x is broken, but you will only find a handful of posts about it anywhere. Broken stuff on os x tends to stay broken longer as versions of core components mostly remain unchanged.

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    Re: new imacs

    Quote Originally Posted by DMcCoy
    Macs take less time to manage when they work. They take more time to manage when they don't
    {abbreviated to save on the thread size but I am really quoting ALL text}
    Its not like going to the dark side you know, you just happen to have Macs and PCs, much like you can have Windows and linux. One system will always be easier to manage, but multiple doesn't have to be unworkable.
    Nice viewpoint, I always wondered what the OSX server stuff was like.

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    Re: new imacs

    I have never and will never found a reason to have a mac, personally or in school. If they half the price and install windows as standard maybe... lol

    I know people who earn ££££ from making music and they dont use macs. So why a kid making a daft few bars of music *needs* a mac is beyond me when the only program thats avalible for mac that isnt for PC is garageband (and a few other top end apps but they aint for kids so not really relivant).

    I was actually talking to one of my mates who is a big name in his genre and his reply to "do you have a mac?" was
    "A mac?" *starts laughing*
    "why would i want one of those, they are for snobs and cost far too much"

    This coming from a guy who can earn more in a month than i dare say anyone on this forum earns in a year, says it all really.

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    Re: new imacs

    Quote Originally Posted by FN_Greatermanchester
    I think Macs will be more popular in the next few years.
    Not with their current ridiculous price tag they won't 8)

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    Re: new imacs

    Maybe people pay for reliability, in my opinion Mac OSX is much more reliable than Windows XP & Windows Vista. I don’t currently own a Mac but I am considering buying one. Since I have been working in a CLC with the Macs I have found they are much more reliable. When I began working there they gave me a Macbook Pro, with bootcamp. I love it in Mac OSX it hasn’t crashed once. The plus with apple is that you can use bootcamp to run Mac OSX & Windows, you can’t currently do this on PC’s but who knows maybe you might be able to in the future. I have also found that both Windows XP & Windows Vista is much more reliable on Macs than to PC’s.

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    Re: new imacs

    ^ Are you for real? From your pic you look very young so ill let you off with your rather misguided views.

    XP more reliable on a mca, ill have to remember than one

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    Re: new imacs

    It's reliable because OS X is BSD - a unix derivative. Same goes for Linux and other BSD flavours for the desktop - eg. PC-BSD

    With a mac you're not paying for reliability; you're paying for so-called 'design', aesthetics and proprietary closed-source applications and seemingly the right to brag about being a mac user 8)

    If I want reliability I use BSD or Linux on known working hardware.

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    Re: new imacs

    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky
    ^ Are you for real? From your pic you look very young so ill let you off with your rather misguided views.

    XP more reliable on a mca, ill have to remember than one
    Well that is my view just because I’m young doesn’t mean I’m stupid, that is my view and all 6 techies i work with agree with me.

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    Re: new imacs

    Can we get back on topic please... the thread is supposed to be about the wonders of the new iMac and not a "my PC is better than your Mac" (or vice versa) thread!

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    Re: new imacs

    well actually I am supporting the Mac and thus this supports the "wonders of the new iMac" I am showing how good the product is. I am open to all computer products Mac, Windows, Linux etc. I am just broadcasting my findings.

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    Re: new imacs

    I am expressing my opinion and that is that the iMac is worth going for

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