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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Ok so I am now facing explosion from college (and even police action) due to the person who made a complaint. I don't see how this can be justified considering that it is MY personal website which I made home and isn't aimed at any college in particular. I don't use it at college or any other proxy.
    My University placement is now at jeopardy. Why couldn't you have talked to me first about it?

    They way I think of it is, and it over the top I know, if a student goes onto a pornography website, does the college then have the right to complain to the owner of the porn site and say "Hey, look I don't like your site, take it down or facing the consequences". This seems completely unfair.

    I completely respect what you admins do, and my site isn't there to annoy you and defeat what your doing. I saw a similar site (allaboutabe.com, another to block if you havn't already) and ran with the idea as I heard alot of people thought it was great and just jumped on the bandwagon.

    There are thousands of proxy sites out there, and what I'm doing is not illegal at all, I just offer a free service to who ever may want to use it.

    Migdet: Thank's I already know about the SSHing to a VPS tunnel technique, but don't see the need to use it as like I said I'm at college to learn.

    Friez: The blame will be soley upon the user, if it is their intention to do something illegal then they should face the blame. I monitor my logs regularly and nothing like that happens, but if it were IP's are logged and they would be reported. To be fair, the only sites that are accessed are myspace, bebo and ebay really.

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Quote Originally Posted by examstudies.com
    Ok so I am now facing explosion from college (and even police action) due to the person who made a complaint. I don't see how this can be justified considering that it is MY personal website which I made home and isn't aimed at any college in particular. I don't use it at college or any other proxy.
    My University placement is now at jeopardy. Why couldn't you have talked to me first about it?
    At the risk of sounding judgemental on this ... now you understand how serious it is. If you develop a site or software that can be specifically used by people to commit illegal activities then you are in trouble ... yes, there is case law that goes either way (so no conclusive right or wrong) but there is a clear line that say "you may be in trouble if you get involved in this".

    Ok, you are in trouble at your college ... you are a bright lad and approaching the Network Manager to say "fair cop, what can I do to improve my standing with you?" might not be a bad idea ...

    I would say that there are a fair number of people in here that may have stratched, bent or broken the rules in the past ... and learnt from it. Don't let it get you down, just learn...

    They way I think of it is, and it over the top I know, if a student goes onto a pornography website, does the college then have the right to complain to the owner of the porn site and say "Hey, look I don't like your site, take it down or facing the consequences". This seems completely unfair.
    If I know that a pornography site has been set up by a student in another school and is being viewed by students in my school then yes, I would ask that school to check that it wasn't being done within school time as the school could get into serious trouble (allowing the distrubution of materials under the Obscene Publications Act). As mentioned by other members ... if something dodgy is going on in a college then it is up to that college or school to do what they can to sort it. If it is outside of their remit but still something you should be warned about then take it in the chin as helpful advice.

    I completely respect what you admins do, and my site isn't there to annoy you and defeat what your doing. I saw a similar site (allaboutabe.com, another to block if you havn't already) and ran with the idea as I heard alot of people thought it was great and just jumped on the bandwagon.

    There are thousands of proxy sites out there, and what I'm doing is not illegal at all, I just offer a free service to who ever may want to use it.
    How the site gets used may be though ... and carefully think about the idea that by opening up unfiltered, unprotected websites you may be helping to propogate viral code within your college or other schools and colleges.

    Migdet: Thank's I already know about the SSHing to a VPS tunnel technique, but don't see the need to use it as like I said I'm at college to learn.

    Friez: The blame will be soley upon the user, if it is their intention to do something illegal then they should face the blame. I monitor my logs regularly and nothing like that happens, but if it were IP's are logged and they would be reported. To be fair, the only sites that are accessed are myspace, bebo and ebay really.
    Fair enough ... at least you are a diligent admin of your site ... unfortunately so many of the others aren't. I know of one student (at my last school) who ended up in court as BT had the book thrown at him as he left an FTP server completely open and unchecked (knowingly) to allow friends to share warez ... but then it was also used by a ring to swap child porn around. He was lucky as the evidence just pointed to him being a stupid idiot who was a script kiddie and a waste of space ... but he was very lucky.

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Ok so I am now facing explosion from college (and even police action) due to the person who made a complaint.
    Sounds OTT to me. I guess moral of the story is not to advertise your 'services' to the very people who are trying to prevent such things. just stick to msn/gootube.

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Quote Originally Posted by examstudies.com
    Ok so I am now facing explosion from college .
    A bit harsh didnt think they blow people up these days for committing offences!!

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    Ok, you are in trouble at your college ... you are a bright lad and approaching the Network Manager to say "fair cop, what can I do to improve my standing with you?" might not be a bad idea ...

    I would say that there are a fair number of people in here that may have stratched, bent or broken the rules in the past ... and learnt from it. Don't let it get you down, just learn...


    Do not let anybody on this forum fob you off - your site and other sites like it, keep our work interesting and challenging, and although I hate to admit it, some of us old farts learn more about the your generation trying to keep students off these sites.

    But now you understand how serious this is.

    I for one hope all goes well and that you learn something from this, get a place in Uni etc. etc

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Quote Originally Posted by examstudies
    I completely respect what you admins do, and my site isn't there to annoy you and defeat what your doing
    You clearly dont, and the site clearly is; I don't know how you can justify that it doesn't defeat what us techies do.

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    And you also have to think about the consequences of the students using your site.

    The fact here is if a student is found using a proxy, their network access is revoked and action is taken by SMT (dependant on the content they were using the proxy to gain access to), it is a serious breach of all internet usage policies from schools. So then the student is made to look bad and is punished for using your site.

    Chris

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    Concerning examstudies.com

    Just think about it for a second
    colleges block certain websites to protect the kids and to protect the college, you have setup a website to bypass these controls and allowing others to access websites you shouldn’t,
    just imagine if a student gets caught on a porn website, the college would then be taken to court as happened a couple of years ago.
    another student goes to a malware website and gets his pc infected, then infects several other pcs, causing the network is grind to a halt, whose fault is that?
    its always a nice challenge/game trying to beat systems but when you are risking college systems, do you think its still a good idea.
    I know you know your way around a pc but does every other student using your website, would they know not to install activex controls from a russian site and would they care knowing its not their pcs.
    You seem clever why not work with the IT chaps, they are there to safe guard students and the college, you may be working in IT yourself soon.
    You have setup a website to allow students to go anywhere and download what they want, on computers they don’t care about. Do you think they are bothered if they wreak them and infect the network.
    You’re a bright lad , grow up

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Quote Originally Posted by examstudies.com
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    Friez: The blame will be soley upon the user, if it is their intention to do something illegal then they should face the blame. I monitor my logs regularly and nothing like that happens, but if it were IP's are logged and they would be reported. To be fair, the only sites that are accessed are myspace, bebo and ebay really.
    Tell it to Napster.

    File sharing: Perfectly legal, almost all networks everywhere share files in some form or another. However, this particular service was used primarily to distribute copyrighted MP3's.

    Napster totally in the right and the end-user is to fault would you not agree? Funny how Napster got totally dragged down by the RIAA for providing the means of illegal activity.

    Your site also provides the means of allowing the end-user to go places they should not, so would you not say you're in a similar boat?

    Logically you'dd think only the end-user is only to blame, but sadly reality tells us this is not the case. You're lucky that you had the foresight to keep accurate logging (or at least so you tell us), because (as someone previously mentioned) if they followed the trail back and it stops at you, who do you think gets incriminated?

    Sure, you may be 'innocent' and not accessing that content, only providing the means.... but it still puts you at risk, and ultimately you're held responsible for your actions.

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Ok alot of replies, you are all assuming that the sole use of my site is to commit illegal offenses, which it's not; online communities is all that is accessed.

    I know you know your way around a pc but does every other student using your website, would they know not to install activex controls from a russian site and would they care knowing its not their pcs.
    Through proxies, ActiveX can not be installed, also I assume you block downloads based on extension (exe, mp3 etc) so really there isn't a way for malicious things to get onto a computer.

    Like I said there are thousands of other open proxies out there, why not complain to each of them instead of seeing to just be bullying me. If you don't like it then please block it, I can't control if your students go on it.

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    File sharing: Perfectly legal, almost all networks everywhere share files in some form or another. However, this particular service was used primarily to distribute copyrighted MP3's.

    Napster totally in the right and the end-user is to fault would you not agree? Funny how Napster got totally dragged down by the RIAA for providing the means of illegal activity.


    Your site also provides the means of allowing the end-user to go places they should not, so would you not say you're in a similar boat?
    By that rational, your saying MS are providing end-users the means to illegal activity by facilitating zero day exploits in word. Thats not illegal though.

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Quote Originally Posted by examstudies.com
    Ok alot of replies, you are all assuming that the sole use of my site is to commit illegal offenses, which it's not; online communities is all that is accessed.

    I know you know your way around a pc but does every other student using your website, would they know not to install activex controls from a russian site and would they care knowing its not their pcs.
    Through proxies, ActiveX can not be installed, also I assume you block downloads based on extension (exe, mp3 etc) so really there isn't a way for malicious things to get onto a computer.

    Like I said there are thousands of other open proxies out there, why not complain to each of them instead of seeing to just be bullying me. If you don't like it then please block it, I can't control if your students go on it.
    Jak ... calm down ... it is only a proxy bypass site.

    We are just trying to make you realise that although you may have had good intentions there is no guaranteeing that the site you have will only be used for forums, myspace or general chat.

    This is why people are up in arms about it ... and in a few years time you will probably come to the same conclusion. As for bullying ... that is a strong word to use. Would I go and investigate another site if I was aware that it was doing similar? Yes ... if I could get it permanently closed would I ... hell yes ...

    Do I think that this is just something you have to say "oh well ... I'm not going to be able to do that again and it isn't worth the hassle" ... yes I do ... and I hope that irregardless of how you feel about the Network Manager or Techies at your college, or any other college / school / business ... it is never anything personal unless you have done something personal first, and you haven't ... you have merely been unaware that what you had been doing can have such serious repercussions. You are now aware ...

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    Re: proxy bypass sites

    Quote Originally Posted by examstudies.com
    I can't control if your students go on it.
    Actually... you can control who uses it... simple password mechanisms exist for any website!

    That's beside the point though... if you agree to use somebody elses computer system, you agree to abide by their rules. If the owner of the system says you can't do x, y and z there is probably a reason and by doing x, y or z you are breaking the agreement and must face the consequences.

    Also, don't forget that most of us work in schools where open access to sites that potentially contain pr0n can lumber us in deep sh1t and it is illegal for schoolies to view this material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd
    By that rational, your saying MS are providing end-users the means to illegal activity by facilitating zero day exploits in word. Thats not illegal though.
    You missed the point though: People get hunted for providing the means even if they're legally ok. Read up on the entire Napster thing.

    As for Microsoft.... Ever wonder why MSN treats mp3 files as 'harmful'? I'm fairly confident Microsoft got some flak from a certain third party. Mind you these days Microsoft get a lot of flak fullstop...

    So even they have been chased about because of providing 'the means'. It might not be illegal, but as history has proven it can still bring in legal problems nonetheless.

    I agree that the blacksmith should not be blamed because someone else committed a murder with the knives they made, but the point stands that people really do get legal action taken for providing the means.

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    There is a password on the site, which has been passed around.

    If I recall correctly from my studies; I believe my college and the complainte maybe in breach of the Data Protection Act; one for the later asking if I attend the college and the former, for my college confirming this. Although I'm not going to take that any further I just wanted to point it out.

    I have already set up a blacklist of sites which I don't want people going on so porn shouldn't be able to be accessed (lol the irony).

    As for bullying ... that is a strong word to use.
    To me it does, if you read some of the comments in the thread, for e.g people laughing and mocking at the fact they though my site had been taken down.

    I'm just going to leave this all now as my college have let me off with a formal warning, and don't want it going any further.
    Thanks for all your input and advice tho, it's all been taken on board

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