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    EES or not?

    For a school with 58 full time teachers and around 460 computers (plus 7 servers physical+VM) is it worth looking at Microsoft EES? I dont know much about it so any advice would be appreciated.

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    As it's licensed on the peope not hte machines I think that yes you should consider it allowing you to upate all 460 pc's

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    @plexer - thanks
    Is there a ball park figure on how much it costs per full time teacher? Or is per full time member of staff?

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    It's full time member of staff who has daily use of a computer, in microsofts terminology I think full time is 200hours per year.

    Approx 30 per person I think.

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    With EES, you only pay for full time staff (FTC) so that includes any staff who have use of a computer for their day to day work, so you can probably discount Catering and Janitorial.

    Current pricing for the Enterprise Desktop Platform is around 40 per FTC, so say 58 x 40 = 2320. There is a standard desktop platform too, still with W7 and Office, but less CALS, not sure on the price of this though.

    This would give you Windows 7, Office 2010 Pro Plus and all the enterprise CALS(exchange, sql, windows server, windows rights management, System center client, etc) you need for all your OEM licenced PC's(you have to have some kind of licence already on the computer, cant just build or buy computers with no licence).

    You then add licences for any server products you need, circa 25 for windows server standard, circa 80 for Enterprise and Datacenter(both per processor, Datacenter better if using for Virtual Hosts) This doesnt have to be FTC, just per Server/Processor

    This is a per year fee, so you would have to do the maths if it outweighs the price of 460 copies of Windows7, Office etc. They will also let you pay a 3 year as well.

    I've just done this for our college, so any questions just ask

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    For us it it wasn't worth it - it really depends upon your upgrade cycle.
    58 staff and 460 machines would probably be worth doing - on Windows alone you would save if you were using a 6yr O/S renewal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    For us it it wasn't worth it - it really depends upon your upgrade cycle.
    58 staff and 460 machines would probably be worth doing - on Windows alone you would save if you were using a 6yr O/S renewal.
    Ok seems as its Full time staff my number would go up to 110 (58 teachers plus 52 support staff). Some are part time so I would have to work out who are full time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiza View Post
    Ok seems as its Full time staff my number would go up to 110 (58 teachers plus 52 support staff). Some are part time so I would have to work out who are full time.
    in that case 40*110 = 4400 per year.
    Win 7 perpetual is around 30 on a 6yr renewal (480*30)/6= 2400
    Office perpetual is around 30 on a 6yr renewal (480*30)/6= 2400

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiza View Post
    Ok seems as its Full time staff my number would go up to 110 (58 teachers plus 52 support staff). Some are part time so I would have to work out who are full time.
    Unfortunately your part timers who work more than 200 hours per year (roughly 6 hours per week term time only) also count as Full Time. Microsoft's definition of part time is considerably more limited than general understanding

    It would still be worth considering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsiegee40 View Post
    Unfortunately your part timers who work more than 200 hours per year (roughly 6 hours per week term time only) also count as Full Time. Microsoft's definition of part time is considerably more limited than general understanding

    It would still be worth considering.
    So basically we have no one who works part time in the eyes of Microsoft? No one here works less than 6 hours per week.

    Brilliant!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiza View Post
    So basically we have no one who works part time in the eyes of Microsoft? No one here works less than 6 hours per week.

    Brilliant!!
    Yep, that's it.

    We argued the case with Microsoft at the Edugeek Microsoft conference in Reading in February last year... got nowhere, but at least we expressed our feelings.

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    Worth pointing out that you don't have to take the whole kaboodle in the desktop platform, you can licence just the bits you need, eg we have windows, office and sccm cals and nothing else.

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    Having asked this very question to a Microsoft chap at one of the Network Northants meetings, we confirmed this is for "full time" members of staff who use computers, therefore we could discount cleaning and catering staff. This was again confirmed when purchasing the EES licence from our supplier. Maybe worth chasing that up, we'll do the same.

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    The pack COWJAmes mentions is the full CAL pack with SCCM cals too but there is a Core CAL pack which (or there was at least) should be cheaper.
    The biggest benefit with EES is the simple ability to upgrade without large cash piles for LIC's

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    If I understand correctly you are basically getting a 3 year licence to use the Microsoft products included in the agreement? At the end of the 3 years you can renew or stop using the products? So basically you are tied into the agreement for the life cycle of the product?

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