Licensing Questions Thread, Changes to Student licencing for home use of Office 2010 / Windows 7 in Technical; no more .sch.uk?
Today we have an important annoucement to make in relation to Microsoft products ...
7th February 2012, 04:07 PM #1
Changes to Student licencing for home use of Office 2010 / Windows 7
no more .sch.uk?
Today we have an important annoucement to make in relation to Microsoft products availability.
As many of you know, Software4Students has been offering the best discounts in Microsoft software for students and their parents since 2005.
Over the years, we have been offering discounts of up to 90%, in Microsoft's fully functional software. However, Microsoft has recently announced that the programme that was making this possible will come to an end on March 31st, 2012.
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7th February 2012, 04:56 PM #2
I'm not seeing a link to the specific Microsoft announcement in question or a mention of the agreement that's coming to an end. The Microsoft store has never explicitly included .sch.uk (though it's always worked).
7th February 2012, 04:57 PM #3
Disappointing, but not surprising. I'd be interested to hear from Microsoft why they are deciding to pull whatever it is that allowed Software4Students to offer these discounts. Sadly since @rayfleming moved jobs to Microsoft Australia there doesn't seem to be much presence from Microsoft on Edugeek any more (with the exception of @jamesbmarshall from the Live@Edu team).
7th February 2012, 05:05 PM #4
7th February 2012, 11:32 PM #5
Hmmm I am not liking this, or the large rise expected in cost of MS Licenses going forth later this year which is being pushed as a streamlining exercise but shreeks we want more $/£/€. Rumour has it that some lines, such as EES will go up by 20% in this streamlining.....
What are MSFT playing at? The replacement suggestion of Home & Student isn't acceptable as it doesn't contain all the products that Pro Plus does, thus this is not actually a replacement as we have been advising that people avoid that.
Also, is this affecting those who have home use agreements via EES where staff can buy it for £10 bar a few pence or not by using the direct MS link and the passcode from your MS Volume Agreement SA Rights?
8th February 2012, 07:43 AM #6
I am wondering if they are going to push everything for students out through Dreamspark and their own webstores then looking at this ? I dont see how this wouldnt be the case as our school has just got ours setup, though it would be pointless them setting that up for a month, though I am in no way sure there, as @garethedmondson handles all the M$ Licensing stuff for our school.
8th February 2012, 05:07 PM #7
9th February 2012, 08:02 AM #8
- Rep Power
There is currently some confusion out there about what is happening with Microsoft’s offerings to students, and we’d like to take the opportunity to clarify things.
Microsoft continually evaluates our licensing programs to ensure that we’re best meeting the needs of our customers. There are a number of upcoming changes to the way we make Microsoft Office available to students as part of a worldwide program to simplify and broaden the availability of our academic offerings. These changes will enable more students to buy Office at a significant discount from the product available to other consumers. Today, 95% of higher-education students use Office, while only 23% are aware of Office student discounts. With the launch of Office University, we are expanding the number of partners who will be eligible to sell this product, including many popular retailers.
The details of the current changes are:
o Office University 2010 and Office for Mac University 2011 were released on 1 February 2012. Office University 2010 and Office for Mac University 2011 offers university and college students great value for the same applications, services and support as Office Professional 2010 and Office for Mac Home & Business 2011. With the release of these products, we are dramatically increasing the number of partners able to assort the product.
o Office Home & Student 2010 is the current offering for school students and parents wishing to purchase Microsoft Office for their studies and home needs. This product is available from a wide range of retail and online partners.
o Office Professional Plus 2010 and Office for Mac 2011 under Student Select will no longer be available for purchase through this program starting 1 April 2012. This is the current program used by Software for Students and other partners currently who specialise in this market.
o Office offerings for students will remain those available under Student Option for EES and Campus & School Agreement. A number of enhancements have already been introduced to make it more attractive for institutions to license their students under their institutional agreement, including free ESD and volume discounts.
Microsoft has been working with our existing partners in the UK to help them prepare for these changes, so that they can in turn communicate with their customers –both Universities and the students themselves – about how they can continue to get discounted Office software packages.
Sorry for the delay in responding to this thread. I will definitely be taking a more active role in this community moving forward. Also, if you have any urgent questions you can drop me a tweet at @tbush.
9th February 2012, 09:36 PM #9
Tim, Office Home and Student 2010 does not fit the needs of GCSE and A Level students who actually wish to use your products, its over-priced and too limited in product range so will not support students at all I'm afraid. We recommend our students need (in terms of MS Software if that is the choice they make to use) Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access and Publisher as a minimum, some A Level students choose to add Project and Outlook to help them mange time better and plan tasks and projects. Office Home and Student has Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote so you are saying that School Students don't need to database or Desktop Publish at all? Fine Mr Gove wants programming rather than word processing, BUT students will still need to do databases and DTP as part of other subjects such as Maths, Art, Business Studies so you are effectively saying no you cannot do that with MS go away and encouraging piracy.
Originally Posted by TimBush
As for the Student EES option how many on here have actually bought it, I have, it took just over 13 weeks to get sorted from initial can you price and get me details of please to me actually seeing the agreement and having the DVDs on my desk for the students and this was with one of your top licensing firms talking to the UK team and US Team on licensing so not some little local shop who sells a couple of MS Agreements a year. It was a massive joke and failure and took so long it left us looking idiots to our parents.
This needs a review as you have just ruined what a lot of people have found a brilliant way to help students further studies outside of the classroom and use legal and correct software.
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9th February 2012, 10:01 PM #10
What @john said
10th February 2012, 08:49 AM #11
Tim, thanks for stopping in to clarify what's going on, but I think you need to go back and have a serious talk without someone about these changes, because they don't make things better.
If Microsoft thinks that Home & Student is all a GCSE/A-Level student will need, it just further demonstrates what I've suspected for some time now: Microsoft does not really understand schools. The decision with EES to define "full time" staff as anyone who works more than 6 hours a week was a pretty big giveaway, and this really does cement it.
The package that Microsoft are calling Office University should be available to all students. I understand that if you guys are working to expanding the take-up of these discounts (which is great) then the price may need to go up, but to make that discount unavailable to pre-university students does not meet the needs of customers better.
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10th February 2012, 09:18 AM #12
What John said. You've tripled* the cost to parents while removing functionality.
*yes, you can install on up to three computers, which is great.....unless you only have one.
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10th February 2012, 09:44 AM #13
I'm afraid a move like this will only encourage piracy
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15th March 2012, 10:00 AM #14
Have to agree with the posts from others on here... bad move from Microsoft, which is a real shame as your (very positive) changes to Office 365 pricing will get lost in the whirlwind of bad publicity around this instead
The Software4Students style scheme was simple and effective and from personal experience I know it moved quite a few people from pirate to genuine Microsoft software... I suspect others will go back the other way as a result of the price hike...
16th March 2012, 12:07 PM #15
I believe it was very easy to abuse this scheme - I've seen posts on fora where people brag they've bought it and they don't have kids.
I can't say because I haven't seen it from a student point of view since 2003. But back then you got an empty product box with paperwork that had to be completed by the user, and then stamped and signed by their educational institution. This was faxed to MS and the discs sent out to the customer.
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