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    I had a chat with them at BETT, asked them for some more details and they said someone from the licensing team would get in contact with me after the show. Scanned my badge etc, no contact yet but hopefully they will get in touch, seems very interesting. My agreement is up for renewal in March so could do with sorting this out asap!

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    Have spoken to 3 suppliers so far and all have said the same that MS are not releasing pricing info to them until mid Feb and wont be available for purchase until 1st March.

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    Just had this through from our licencing people, apologies if it's already been refered to/repeated but it may be useful to someone, somewhere!



    We have been having a number of enquiries about the new Enrolment for Education Solutions programme for Schools, Colleges and Universities.

    Please note that at this time we do not have any EES pricing. Unfortunately due to the way Microsoft issue their pricelists we do not expect to see EES pricing for Schools until mid-February at the earliest. As soon as we have pricing we will put together a School Agreement vs EES Calculator so you can plug in your PC count/product set on School Agreement and then your FTE count/product set on EES to compare pricing on both programmes. As always not every programme suits every customer so it is quite possible some of you may find School Agreement is still the best option to meet your needs. Anyway this calculator tool will help you determine that with ease.

    You may find the following information useful.

    Microsoft Enrolment for Education Solutions (EES)

    Enrolment for Education Solutions (EES) is available for schools within the UK from the 1st March 2011.

    If your School Agreement renewal is due before that date, you can choose to extend your current School Agreement for 3 months (minimum amount) and then transition to EES, or renew for a further year under School Agreement and move to EES then. Please talk to us at the earliest opportunity if you wish to extend your agreement for 3 months.

    Under this agreement you can license a single school, multiple schools or an entire school system, such as a local authority. You count your Full-Time Equivalent staff once per year, so you don't have to track every single computer in your establishment. Full time equivalent are staff who work more than 200 hours per year in your school.

    Key benefits of this programme include:
    • Counting FTE staff once per year covers all staff and shared-use computers
    • One annual payment for all software at academic prices
    • Access to the most current version of licensed software
    • Ability to downgrade to an earlier version of software
    • Broad product selection available in all languages
    • Microsoft Windows or Apple Macintosh platform
    • Optional inclusion of computers exclusively dedicated to one student, and student’s own home computers

    Subscription features
    Customer Profile - Education establishments (Schools, colleges and universities) looking for a simple, flexible subscription licensing agreement.

    Minimum Requirements - From December 1st, Further & Higher education customers can purchase EES instead of CAMPUS enrolment. The minimum requirement for your first order is 300 units Schools customers cannot purchase EES until 1st March, 2011. Until that time, schools customers should continue to buy software licences via Schools Agreement

    Products Availability - The customer may order subscription licences for a wide selection of Microsoft software through EES.

    The Professional Desktop Platform package includes:
    • Windows 7 Enterprise Upgrade
    • Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2010
    • Microsoft Core CAL Suite:
    The Core CAL Suite is equivalent to the following licenses:

    • Windows Server® CAL,
    • Microsoft SharePoint® Server Standard CAL,
    • Microsoft Exchange Server Standard CAL,
    • Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager Client Management License.
    • The Enterprise Desktop Platform includes:
    • Windows 7 Enterprise Upgrade
    • Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2010
    • Microsoft Enterprise CAL Suite:
    The Enterprise CAL Suite is equivalent to the following licenses:

    • All of the components of the Core CAL Suite (listed above), plus,
    • Microsoft Forefront® Protection Suite[1] (all of the following are subscription services)
    o Forefront Client Security,
    o Forefront Protection 2010 for Exchange Server,
    o Forefront Protection 2010 for SharePoint ,
    o Forefront Security for Office Communications Server,
    o Forefront Endpoint Protection for Exchange (formerly Exchange Hosted Filtering)
    o Forefront Threat Management Gateway Web Protection Service
    • Forefront Unified Access Gateway CAL,
    • Exchange Server Enterprise CAL,
    • SharePoint Server Enterprise CAL,
    • Microsoft Lync Server Standard CAL,
    • Lync Server Enterprise CAL,
    • Windows® Rights Management Services CAL,
    • System Center Client Management Suite
    o System Center Operations Manager Client Management License,
    o System Center Service Manager Client Management License,
    System Center Data Protection Manager Client Management License.

    Additional Products:
    A broad selection of software and services are available as additional products under your EES. Additional products may be licensed for any quantity, ranging from one licence to the entire FTE employee count.

    Examples of software products available as additional products include Microsoft Office Visio, Microsoft Project, Windows Server and Exchange Server, as well as additional CALs or Microsoft Online Services.

    You can see a complete list of additional products on the Microsoft Product List at Microsoft Volume Licensing - Product Licensing

    Please refer to the Microsoft Volume Licensing Product list for complete details of currently available products.

    Term -Master Agreement has no expiration date

    Renewing Agreement - Once a Master Agreement is in place, Subscription Enrolments are submitted for 12 or 36 months of licence coverage

    Your options are:
    • extend your subscription enrolment under the one-year licensed period
    • submit a new subscription enrolment under the three-year licensed period
    • exercise the buy-out option (see below)
    • allow the subscription enrolment to expire, and stop using the software

    Pricing Levels
    Level A = < 3000 FTEs
    Level B = > 3000 FTEs

    Student Licensing - Student Option licences are required for computers exclusively dedicated to one student, and available for student’s own home computers. Minimum requirement of 100 units. Student and faculty/staff orders cannot be combined to meet the minimum requirement.

    Staying Current on Software - Customers are licensed to run any version of products, including product upgrades released during the designated agreement/order term.

    Access to Software Assurance Benefits - Yes

    Work at Home Rights and Home Use Programme - Yes, for faculty and staff users counted within your FTE count

    Buy-out
    Customers wishing to convert their subscription licences (EES) to perpetual licences can do so through buy-out licences. It should be noted that the costs of this can be significant and should be fully understood as part of the decision to choose EES licensing.

    Notes

    EES offers the convenience of licensing products based on the number of faculty/staff (FTE) employees in the organization.

    • Faculty = Teaching, Lecturing employees
    • Staff = Admin, Clerical, Catering employees

    The formula below outlines how to determine the number of faculty/staff FTE employees an organization has:

    For example, you have 2,000 full-time faculty, 3,000 part-time faculty, 1,000 full-time staff, and 1,000 part-time staff. The FTE employee count is calculated as follows:
    2,000 + (3000 / 3) + 1,000 + (1000 / 2)

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    So enterprise pack comes with Forefront AV licence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblacksheep View Post
    So enterprise pack comes with Forefront AV licence?
    It always has. One of the reasons we use the Enterprise CAL pack here . We get Forefront client anti-virus, server anti-virus and online Exchange spam/AV filtering

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblacksheep View Post
    So enterprise pack comes with Forefront AV licence?
    This is quite interesting so just need to buy sccm server licence and forefront server licence and enterprise core CAL covers the client cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irsprint84 View Post
    This is quite interesting so just need to buy sccm server licence and forefront server licence and enterprise core CAL covers the client cost?
    You don't actually need a server license for Forefront Endpoint Protection since it integrates into SCCM to deploy clients/updates and manage all reporting. So you only need the SCCM server license . It's what we've moved to this summer.

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    SO how much is a sccm licence? I seemed to get different quote from my supplier even though I m on enterprise CALs!

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    On a schools agreement a SCCM w/SQL server license (includes the license for SQL, if you already have a SQL cluster that you could use you could get the cheaper license) was around £60-65/year.

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    Life is good!

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    Sorry for being dull but am i right in saying that for my current school with 150 FTE staff that i only have to purchase 150 x licenses for the Professional Desktop Package under EES.

    That would cover the whole school (1500 kids, 425 client devices) for....

    • Windows 7 Enterprise Upgrade
    • Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2010
    • Microsoft Core CAL Suite: (Windows Server® CAL, Microsoft SharePoint® Server Standard CAL, Microsoft Exchange Server Standard CAL, Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager Client Management License)

    Which would mean for our Server 2008 R2 and SCCM servers all devices on site will be covered for CAL's as well?

    Has anyone any idea of possible potential costs? Any guesses? What is the current schools desktop package cost at the moment? Just trying to work out what the annual costs might be.
    Last edited by mcnallyfc; 26th January 2011 at 11:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcnallyfc View Post

    Has anyone any idea of possible potential costs? Any guesses? What is the current schools desktop package cost at the moment? Just trying to work out what the annual costs might be.
    For it to be worthwhile for us the cost would need to be less than £39 per member of staff per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcnallyfc View Post
    Sorry for being dull but am i right in saying that for my current school with 150 FTE staff that i only have to purchase 150 x licenses for the Professional Desktop Package under EES.

    That would cover the whole school (1500 kids, 425 client devices) for....

    • Windows 7 Enterprise Upgrade
    • Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2010
    • Microsoft Core CAL Suite: (Windows Server® CAL, Microsoft SharePoint® Server Standard CAL, Microsoft Exchange Server Standard CAL, Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager Client Management License)

    Which would mean for our Server 2008 R2 and SCCM servers all devices on site will be covered for CAL's as well?

    Has anyone any idea of possible potential costs? Any guesses? What is the current schools desktop package cost at the moment? Just trying to work out what the annual costs might be.
    You'd be correct in your thinking . Our current schools agreement costs for the Desktop Pack is around £25-26/pc, while Desktop Pack w/Ent CAL is around £31/pc. From what I've heard (and from seeing Campus pricing which is FTE) we can expect that pricing to likely double, although it could be even higher.

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    Also, I see that there looks to be a limitation? Minimum initial order of 300 units. Does that relate to FTE's? If that is the case, mcnallyfc and I are scuppered!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    For it to be worthwhile for us the cost would need to be less than £39 per member of staff per year.
    Well if the current schools agreement desktop package is around £25 then for our school based on devices it would be around £10,625 per year!

    Based on that i assume that for it to be cheaper than the older agreement it would need to be less than £70.

    I know the school wont pay more than 5k per year for this so im hoping its along the lines of £30-£35



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