Licensing Questions Thread, How many CALS do we need for our Terminal Server? in Technical; Originally Posted by localzuk
No, I mean a Windows Server CAL ( Windows Server 2008 R2: Frequently Asked Questions about ...
22nd June 2010, 10:40 AM #31
Reading that i just spotted "up to two users or devices may access the server software only for server administration purposes, without requiring either a RDS CAL or Windows Server CAL."
Originally Posted by localzuk
We have 4 members of ICT staff who rdp onto servers here, so therefore we are breaking the rules if we dont have 2 additional RDS CALs??
**bangs head against desk**
28th June 2010, 10:08 PM #32
Don't forget about WAH rights.
Work at home rights may save you quite a bit here. If you're under a School Agreement, I think you are covered assuming you have licensed the primary work machine for all applicable CALS. If you've just done Select or Open, you at least have Office covered.
From Work at Home licenses for Microsoft Academic Volume Licensing Customers
So in short you need:
A remote desktop CAL for each user who could potentially connect.
A windows cal for each device connecting.
A windows server license per terminal server.
A copy of the terminal services licensing software installed on your network.
An SQL CAL for each user who could potentially connect (but only if you are using a full version of SQL server and aren't using a processor license).
Each machine which is connecting to the terminal server to have a license for office.
Open License for Academic, Select License for Academic, and Select Plus for Academic Work at Home licenses
For each copy of Microsoft Office you license, the primary user of the computer on or from which the product is run may also run a second copy from either a laptop or desktop computer that he or she owns or leases. The software may be used only for work-related purposes and only during the term of the agreement (including any renewals). These Work at Home licenses do not apply to students unless the student is also an employee.
Campus Agreement and School Agreement Work at Home licenses
Work at Home licenses for Campus Agreement and School Agreement customers are available for all application, system, and CAL products at no extra cost. These limited rights permit using licensed products on a personally owned computer for work-related purposes only. You can choose to extend these rights to your faculty and staff members only for licensed products for which you have institutional licenses through your Campus or School Agreement.
28th June 2010, 10:22 PM #33
I prefer to use the Home Use Programme (HUP) as part of software assurance instead. A small fee for staff (£8.95) but they can use it for non work stuff and the agreement is directly between MS and themselves (no need to provide keys and chase for removal if they leave).
28th June 2010, 11:02 PM #34
If actually distributing Office to staff, I would agree that HUP is a great option.
Originally Posted by DMcCoy
If staff WAH rights were only exercised through remote access to a TS hosting Office, you would mitigate the distribution/key problems and would be more or less sure it's work related use.
12th July 2010, 01:19 PM #35
Microsoft CALs are never "concurrent" in the usual sense of the word. You always have to buy either a User CAL per actual named user, or a Device CAL per computing device you want to be able to access from. Either method works fine, and it's a question of adding up all the possible devices you want to access SIMS from, and then all the members of staff who would need to access it, and picking the smallest one! For example, if you've got 50 members of staff needing access, AND those people might want to access from a desktop machine in school or a laptop at home, it's probably cheapest to buy 50 user CALs for those people. If your 50 users access SIMS from a laptop EACH, ie 50 users, 50 laptops, it makes no difference. If the 50 users share computers and access SIMs from one of only 20 classroom machines, then you'd only need 20 Device CALs.
As pointed out above, if someone accesses Office running in TS, it still counts as a running instance of Office, and therefore still needs an Office licence.
13th July 2010, 12:14 PM #36
It depends exactly what SIMS needs MS Office for. Don't expect any help from Capita in finding this out though
Originally Posted by farquea
13th July 2010, 12:47 PM #37
Plenty of licencing schemes are decidedly "iffy". e.g. Novell's per connection system with Netware. At leats that was fairly simple compared with some of the schemes we have now.
Originally Posted by mavhc
A lawyer would also need to understand these both in terms of the "law of the land" and how these all interact. Which could get very expensive even to answer the question of which parts actually ment anything at all.
You'd probably save money not wasting 100s of hours reading the licences and trying to be compliant than they'd fine you if they ever bothered to check. To make sure you're really compliant you'd have to hire a lawyer to read it all for you anyway.
On what statute or case law is the idea of CALs even based?
Or indeed anything without complex useage conditions. Whilst there might be such proprietary software, this comes as standard with Open Source Software.
Since open source licencing is concerned with copying and distribution as actually defined by copyright law.
Rather than clever tricks to pervert "copyright" into "useright". Such trickery underpinning EULAs, DRM.
13th July 2010, 01:09 PM #38
Actually the kind of people you need to contact are lawyers. Even if resellers are qualified to give legal advice they are hardly unbiassed parties.
Originally Posted by TonyRidal
Ironically big companies, especially ones which operate in more than one country, like to do all sorts of picking and choosing what regulations they follow. Even to the point of claiming that a customer in country A is somehow subject to the laws in country B.
You're acting on behalf of your employer not yourself, so picking and choosing which regulations to follow could leave you on a very sticky wicket.
13th July 2010, 01:29 PM #39
As well as being reluctant to switch from something with simple requirements (especially if you are not supplying software to other "people").
Originally Posted by mavhc
To one which has highly complex requirements; is possible to get very different answers by asking different "experts" (even asking the same "expert" more than once) and really requires a lawyer to find out which requirements actually are requirments and which are requests.
It's also interesting how many EULAs try to ignore the concept of a "corporate person" on the part of the user at the same time accepting the vendor/supplier as such.
"Free of EULAs" is something potentially very positive.
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