Licensing Questions Thread, XP licenses, volume and oem in Technical; May be a silly question, but if I had a bunch of machines already had XP Pro OEM licenses, would ...
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23rd March 2010, 04:50 PM #1 XP licenses, volume and oem
May be a silly question, but if I had a bunch of machines already had XP Pro OEM licenses, would I be able to reinstall Windows and make a system image using a volume licensing key, and still be covered by the OEM license?
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Thanks to fafster from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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23rd March 2010, 10:29 PM #2 Yes is what I believe to be the case
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Thanks to john from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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23rd March 2010, 10:32 PM #3 Yes that is allowed, got the MS paperwork somewhere about this, will dig it out if I can find it but you are definitely covered.
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Thanks to sparkeh from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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23rd March 2010, 10:41 PM #4 YOu MUST have an OEM licence in order to use VL
This is because VL is an UPGRADE licence only...
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Thanks to Gatt from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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23rd March 2010, 10:53 PM #5 
Originally Posted by
Gatt
YOu MUST have an OEM licence in order to use VL
This is because VL is an UPGRADE licence only...
Although yes you do need a prior fully licensed version of XP that is not quite true, you can use a VL key with a Fully Packaged Product version of XP as well.
Read this document
Last edited by sparkeh; 23rd March 2010 at 10:58 PM.
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Thanks to sparkeh from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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23rd March 2010, 10:59 PM #6 
Originally Posted by
sparkeh
Although yes you do need a prior fully licensed version of XP that is not quite true, you can use a VL key with a Fully Packaged Product version of XP.
Read
this document I stand corrected - though all the docs i got from MS licensing said otherwise!
Oh well..
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Thanks to Gatt from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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23rd March 2010, 11:01 PM #7 
Originally Posted by
Gatt
I stand corrected - though all the docs i got from MS licensing said otherwise!
Oh well..
Ah...yes that is a very good point actually, I have found conflicting documentation from MS on various licensing issues. I try and keep the versions that fit in with what is best for us
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Thanks to sparkeh from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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24th March 2010, 10:03 AM #8 Cheers all! That makes it a lot cheaper for us.
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29th March 2010, 12:20 PM #9
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ok, how about making those Windows XP as a VM in WMware ESXi ? would that be still valid ?
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29th March 2010, 12:28 PM #10 I'm going to be abit contriversal here and say I think the answer to the OP's question is - NO.
Or atleast it is No - If he hasn't bought the Volume License Upgrades for these machines, you are not supposed to use the VLK without purchesing the Volume Licenses. You can only purchase the Volume Licenses if you have a qualifying OEM/FPP license for the machine already and the Volume Licenses are not transferable between machines.
As for the VM question - my understanding is -
You need a qualifying OEM/FPP version of Windows + the Volume License Upgrade + Software Assurance + the VECD License.
Microsoft want their pound of flesh
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albertwt (29th March 2010)
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29th March 2010, 01:10 PM #11
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Originally Posted by
tmcd35
I'm going to be abit contriversal here and say I think the answer to the OP's question is - NO.
Or atleast it is No -
If he hasn't bought the Volume License Upgrades for these machines, you are not supposed to use the VLK without purchesing the Volume Licenses. You can only purchase the Volume Licenses if you have a qualifying OEM/FPP license for the machine already and the
Volume Licenses are not transferable between machines.
As for the VM question - my understanding is -
You need a qualifying OEM/FPP version of Windows + the Volume License Upgrade + Software Assurance + the VECD License.
Microsoft want their pound of flesh

wow such a hard way just to virtualize the old PC hardware into a VM :-|
Windows XP is no longer available to purchase even as a retail product so this is ging to be a bumpy road ahead.
Thanks for the reply.
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29th March 2010, 01:12 PM #12 Purchase a load of Windows 98 FPP's off of ebay
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Thanks to tmcd35 from:
albertwt (29th March 2010)
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29th March 2010, 01:17 PM #13 
Originally Posted by
tmcd35
I'm going to be abit contriversal here and say I think the answer to the OP's question is - NO.
Or atleast it is No -
If he hasn't bought the Volume License Upgrades for these machines, you are not supposed to use the VLK without purchesing the Volume Licenses. You can only purchase the Volume Licenses if you have a qualifying OEM/FPP license for the machine already and the
Volume Licenses are not transferable between machines.
As for the VM question - my understanding is -
You need a qualifying OEM/FPP version of Windows + the Volume License Upgrade + Software Assurance + the VECD License.
Microsoft want their pound of flesh

To run a Windows VM for VDI purposes you need either a device without a valid windows license and VECD. If you already have a windows license with SA then you can get VECD for SA (it's cheaper) instead to allow you to run in a VM.
However as from July if you have a windows license with SA you'll no longer need VECD for SA - it's being included as a SA benefit. VECD is also being renamed to VDA 
VECD/VDA allows you to run windows VMs using Thin Client devices that don't have their own windows licenses
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albertwt (29th March 2010), tmcd35 (29th March 2010)
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29th March 2010, 01:25 PM #14 
Originally Posted by
Soulfish
To run a Windows VM for VDI purposes you need either a device without a valid windows license and VECD. If you already have a windows license with SA then you can get VECD for SA (it's cheaper) instead to allow you to run in a VM.
However as from July if you have a windows license with SA you'll no longer need VECD for SA - it's being included as a SA benefit. VECD is also being renamed to VDA
VECD/VDA allows you to run windows VMs using Thin Client devices that don't have their own windows licenses

What a tangled web Microsoft weave. Is VECD not just the license to access the VM?
I was under the impression the actual windows installation license for the VM on the server would be seperate. Thus by neccessaity probably a FPP copy, with VL Upgrade if you want to use a VLK and clone the vhd.
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29th March 2010, 01:25 PM #15
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Originally Posted by
Soulfish
To run a Windows VM for VDI purposes you need either a device without a valid windows license and VECD. If you already have a windows license with SA then you can get VECD for SA (it's cheaper) instead to allow you to run in a VM.
However as from July if you have a windows license with SA you'll no longer need VECD for SA - it's being included as a SA benefit. VECD is also being renamed to VDA
VECD/VDA allows you to run windows VMs using Thin Client devices that don't have their own windows licenses

@Soulfish: wow that sounds simpler and make sense.
Today I spoke with my reseller to get the VECD/VDA license but then it seems they're not sure if the existing Windows 7 can be down graded into XP ?
All i want to do is Virtualizing the old hardware (Windows XP only) not Windows 7 or migrating the license.
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