+ Post New Thread
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 16
Licensing Questions Thread, MS 2008 R2 TS Licensing Query in Technical; hi all, I have a query hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.. Right, going down the Thin ...
  1. #1
    stariq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Birmingham
    Posts
    190
    Thank Post
    113
    Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
    Rep Power
    17

    MS 2008 R2 TS Licensing Query

    hi all,

    I have a query hopefully someone can point me in the right direction..

    Right, going down the Thin client route and going to be using MS win 2k8 r2 for the TS

    Thinking of deploying 25 TC's for admin staff with a view of external connections to the school via RDP some time this year

    I need to know what CALS i need in a nut shell

    I dont have a select or schools agreenment but more than happy to buy the CALS outright

    Pic attached is what I was told by Ramesys, is what I need

    However one of the quotes I have says we need the following:

    Microsoft Select Licensing Option These are outright purchase licences. These are purchased at the time of installation S1 Microsoft Select Windows Server 2008 R2 Std lic.

    S1 Microsoft Select Windows Remote Desktop Services Cals One required per staff member giving internal and external access One per user 11.50 -

    TKA-00148S Microsoft Select Remote Desktop Services External Connect Licence Gives the school unlimited connections to terminal Server externally 1 x 1,150.00

    DOes this make any sense to anyone? Is the ramesys one , the one I need or my suppliers?

    Any help as always is appreciated

    Thanks in advanced

    STariq
    Attached Images Attached Images

  2. Thanks to stariq from:

    albertwt (10th March 2010)

  3. #2

    tmcd35's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Norfolk
    Posts
    5,620
    Thank Post
    845
    Thanked 883 Times in 731 Posts
    Blog Entries
    9
    Rep Power
    326
    Assuming only the 25 staff will need external access then this (link below) would suggest that Ramsys is correct. And the prices Ramsys quoted look about right for an Academic Select Agreement.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...onnectors.aspx

  4. 2 Thanks to tmcd35:

    albertwt (10th March 2010), stariq (9th March 2010)

  5. #3
    stariq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Birmingham
    Posts
    190
    Thank Post
    113
    Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
    Rep Power
    17
    Thanks for the quick reply, if i wanted to open this externally to all staff; would I need to buy one EC License for each TS? im thinking of having 2 servers and 1 gateway server.

    Cheers

  6. Thanks to stariq from:

    albertwt (10th March 2010)

  7. #4

    tmcd35's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Norfolk
    Posts
    5,620
    Thank Post
    845
    Thanked 883 Times in 731 Posts
    Blog Entries
    9
    Rep Power
    326
    If I'm reading that weblink right then you don't need any External Connector licenses at all. You just need 1xTS-CAL for each user who may connect at the same time.

  8. 2 Thanks to tmcd35:

    albertwt (10th March 2010), stariq (10th March 2010)

  9. #5

    john's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    10,513
    Thank Post
    1,493
    Thanked 1,050 Times in 919 Posts
    Rep Power
    302
    Ric is probably the oracle on this lot as he has spend a LOT of time looking at this stuff so maybe worth poking him to get his views....

  10. #6

    EduTech's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Reading
    Posts
    5,038
    Thank Post
    160
    Thanked 909 Times in 713 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    Rep Power
    270
    I am not 100% sure on this, licensing is always a pain in the bum well at least sorting out an SA is.

    Just wanted to poke my nose in and just to echo what john said really, i know Ric_ has been doing alot with Terminal Services and is probably hot on this topic and just incase he misses it as he is a very busy man i would just drop him a PM..

    I think what you have asked for is right, but i wouldn't want to say for definite tbh.

    James

  11. Thanks to EduTech from:

    stariq (10th March 2010)

  12. #7

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    282
    Thank Post
    322
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
    Rep Power
    11
    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    If I'm reading that weblink right then you don't need any External Connector licenses at all. You just need 1xTS-CAL for each user who may connect at the same time.
    OK, does the built Windows in 5 CAL is also counted here ?

    meaning: by default all Win Server OS comes with 5 and then we can just but additional 5 CALs on top of it ?

    cmiiw.

    Thanks.

  13. #8

    tmcd35's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Norfolk
    Posts
    5,620
    Thank Post
    845
    Thanked 883 Times in 731 Posts
    Blog Entries
    9
    Rep Power
    326
    The 5 CAL's that come with Windows Server Standard are Device/User CAL's not Terminal Server CAL's. To run Terminal Services you need 1 TS-CAL for each concurrent Device/User Remote Desktop'ing to the server.

    I'm not sure if standard CAL's are required in addition to TS-CAL's, so the OP would need 24xTS-CAL's + 19xCAL's, or if only the 24xTS-CAL's would be required?

  14. Thanks to tmcd35 from:

    albertwt (10th March 2010)

  15. #9

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    282
    Thank Post
    322
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
    Rep Power
    11

    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    The 5 CAL's that come with Windows Server Standard are Device/User CAL's not Terminal Server CAL's. To run Terminal Services you need 1 TS-CAL for each concurrent Device/User Remote Desktop'ing to the server.

    I'm not sure if standard CAL's are required in addition to TS-CAL's, so the OP would need 24xTS-CAL's + 19xCAL's, or if only the 24xTS-CAL's would be required?
    wow i din't know about it.

    thanks for the clarification mate.

    Cheers,
    AWT

  16. #10
    stariq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Birmingham
    Posts
    190
    Thank Post
    113
    Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
    Rep Power
    17
    this is where im stuck..i do need some help on this as this could cost alot if not done correctly

    phase 1 is deploying 25 tc's. i would need to buy 25 CALS to connect to the server (2k8) - is this right?

    phase 2 is external connections thinking of 30-50 - again connecting to server 2k8 - can i buy one external connector license and this would be good for the 30 - 50 con current connections plus more as I buy new Terminal servers?

    Any clarification would help me get something down on paper ready for my meeting tomorrow

    Thanks to all who have replied

    STariq

  17. #11

    tmcd35's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Norfolk
    Posts
    5,620
    Thank Post
    845
    Thanked 883 Times in 731 Posts
    Blog Entries
    9
    Rep Power
    326
    Is that an additional 30-50 users and are they external use only? If so then you'll probably want the EC license on top of the 25 TS-CAL's.

    If those additional users need to access in work as well then it's TS-CAL's all the way as far as I can tell

    The TS-CAL's cover internal and external access. The EC license only covers external access.

  18. #12
    Richfrombechtle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    16
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
    Rep Power
    11

    External Connectors

    When it comes to External Connectors, Microsoft state:

    "An external user is a person who is not an employee, or similar personnel of the company or its affiliates, and is not someone to whom you provide hosted services using the server software." (bold mine)

    For employees, you are required to purchase CALs for them to access the network. TS CALs are additional to Windows server CALs so you will need:

    1 x Windows Server CAL

    AND

    1 x Terminal Server CAL

    for each staff member who will be using the TS services.

    So initially 25 of each and then a further 30-50 for the next stage and so on.

    From a price point of view, I'd recommend a Schools Agreement for cost effectiveness, with a Windows Server CAL being around 1.2 and a TS CAL approx 3.00 per year.

    Hope that helps.

    Cheers
    Rich

  19. 2 Thanks to Richfrombechtle:

    stariq (10th March 2010), tmcd35 (10th March 2010)

  20. #13
    stariq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Birmingham
    Posts
    190
    Thank Post
    113
    Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
    Rep Power
    17
    right, i think im there, so let me just double check this then..

    - i need 25 TS CALS to connect the thin clients to the windows TS
    - i need 25 CALS to connect to the servers OS
    - I need to buy 1 external connector license for all users

    Is this right?

  21. #14

    Ric_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    London
    Posts
    7,590
    Thank Post
    109
    Thanked 762 Times in 593 Posts
    Rep Power
    180
    @stariq: I think the confussion has come in due to the new naming scheme used by Microsoft. Terminal Services is no more... the new name is Remote Desktop Services.

    If you have 25 users that will be using the service, you are best to license these users. You will require 25 'per user' Windows Server CALs and 25 per user RDS CALs.

    However, you cannot mix and match your CAL types so, assuming you have more than 25 users, you either need to buy per user Windows Server CALs for all your users or license per device.

    If you license per device, you will need 25 of each CAL to cover the users' terminals whilst at work and then you also need to license a machine for home use! (This can be avoided by providing a portable computer)

  22. 2 Thanks to Ric_:

    stariq (10th March 2010), tmcd35 (10th March 2010)

  23. #15
    Richfrombechtle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    16
    Thank Post
    0
    Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
    Rep Power
    11

    EC's

    Hi,

    Unless you are also providing access to these sytems to people that do not work for you, then no External Connector is needed at all.

    Cheers
    Rich

  24. Thanks to Richfrombechtle from:

    stariq (10th March 2010)

SHARE:
+ Post New Thread
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. ESX4 licensing query
    By ranj in forum Thin Client and Virtual Machines
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 23rd January 2010, 01:45 PM
  2. Daft Licensing query
    By Little-Miss in forum Windows
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 16th July 2009, 08:26 PM
  3. MS Windows licensing query
    By fafster in forum Windows
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 28th April 2009, 01:08 PM
  4. 2008 licensing
    By ozydave in forum Windows Server 2008
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 18th November 2008, 04:47 AM
  5. Exchange Server 2003 licensing query
    By tarquel in forum Windows
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 4th July 2005, 01:56 PM

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •