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    Just been told we're getting new high spec servers....... what would you do?

    The school is moving to server 08 r2 as well as win7.

    we have an exsiting 2003 network running xp.

    ...... seen a order form for

    ---------------------------------------------

    2x

    2x intel xeon 6c cpus
    48gb ram
    2x300gb sas
    4x600gb sas

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    1x

    2x intel xeon 6c cpus

    48gb ram
    2x300gb sas
    4x900gb sas

    ------------------------------
    1x

    1x intel xeon 4c cpu
    8gb ram
    6x 600gb sas


    so that four new server for me to unbox!

    high spec tho.... i thinking virtual servers. if the stuff was yours..... how would you config them.

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    Make\Model of Servers?

    I would go along the lines of:

    2x Servers

    2x intel xeon 6c cpus
    48gb ram
    2x300gb sas
    4x600gb sas

    Both servers running Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise with Hyper-V in a Failover Cluster.

    Hyper-V Virucal Machines:

    DC01, DC02, MGMT01, MGMT02, APPS01, MIS01

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    1x Server

    2x intel xeon 6c cpus

    48gb ram
    2x300gb sas
    4x900gb sas

    This server running Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard as a File Server

    take out most of the ram and stick it in the server below (mail server), file server really doesnt need alot! (4Gb MIN!)

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    1x Server

    1x intel xeon 4c cpu
    8gb ram
    6x 600gb sas

    This server running Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard as a Mail Server (Exchange Server 2010)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jahilton2002 View Post
    The school is moving to server 08 r2 as well as win7.

    we have an exsiting 2003 network running xp.

    ...... seen a order form for

    ---------------------------------------------

    2x

    2x intel xeon 6c cpus
    48gb ram
    2x300gb sas
    4x600gb sas

    ------------------------------

    1x

    2x intel xeon 6c cpus

    48gb ram
    2x300gb sas
    4x900gb sas

    ------------------------------
    1x

    1x intel xeon 4c cpu
    8gb ram
    6x 600gb sas


    so that four new server for me to unbox!

    high spec tho.... i thinking virtual servers. if the stuff was yours..... how would you config them.
    I would not be happy that somebody else other than me had decided to order new servers.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanT View Post

    ------------------------------

    1x Server

    2x intel xeon 6c cpus

    48gb ram
    2x300gb sas
    4x900gb sas

    This server running Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard as a File Server

    take out most of the ram and stick it in the server below (mail server), file server really doesnt need alot! (4Gb MIN!)

    ------------------------------
    1x Server

    1x intel xeon 4c cpu
    8gb ram
    6x 600gb sas

    This server running Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard as a Mail Server (Exchange Server 2010)
    Aside from the last server with 8gb of ram having or using the 600gb SAS drives, why not use the last one for file server and the one above that for mail ( exchange or whatever )

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    sorry all Dells

    2x 710
    2x 610

    We have off site mail, which i hate. And if ref to other people buying ours servers, i couldn't agree more..... but sometimes its a handpalm scenario. still better than the core-duo we had delivered for the job from "PC Planet".

    Didn't you know that a home desktop with lots of ram will be able to server the schools 900+ clients. Anyway thats another story and it gives me high blood pressure!

    thx for your in put guys.

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    I find it interesting how a school decides to buy a server or servers, doesn't consult the technician or network manager, but then expects them to magically setup/configure/migrate to 2008 R2 and Windows 7 clients.

    The fact you're going to be expected to setup these servers, I just find it extremely odd that you've had no input or say into the make or specification, or whether they're actually any good for job.

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    i wouldn't say no input..... more like

    "We can't just run a home pc, it doesn't work like that. we need server hardware with high spec cpus, lots of ram and lots of hdd space. Dell and HP are good brands."

    ultimately, its the schools decision in our scenario. the best we could do is get them for a cheap as poss. which i think we've done very well.

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    I have built servers on Core 2 Duo's, but I agree, for 900+ clients that would be pushing it.

    A Xeon easily has enough power, but memory, hard disks as well as network speeds are also important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    Aside from the last server with 8gb of ram having or using the 600gb SAS drives, why not use the last one for file server and the one above that for mail ( exchange or whatever )
    Total overkill imo

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    Personally I would have saved money and got 2 x 72gb drives instead of 2 x 300gb drives.

    Plus being involved in ordering!

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    Was about to say, 48gb for a mail server? Sweet chariots of fire, are people emailing eachother entire DVD collections every second? Or is Exchange THAT bad? If it needs that much, I'd be ditching it quicker than a celeron windows Me PC found running the MIS system...

    Anyway, there's plenty of setups I could suggest however without knowing much more information there's little point as it stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jahilton2002 View Post
    i wouldn't say no input..... more like

    "We can't just run a home pc, it doesn't work like that. we need server hardware with high spec cpus, lots of ram and lots of hdd space. Dell and HP are good brands."

    ultimately, its the schools decision in our scenario. the best we could do is get them for a cheap as poss. which i think we've done very well.
    As we don't know your situation with regards to procurement it's hard to say but I would still say that as the people responsible for the IT services I would have still expect you to have more input into the decisions.

    Regarding what people think regarding the configuration perhaps you could outline the services you expect to run?

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    As we don't know your situation with regards to procurement it's hard to say but I would still say that as the people responsible for the IT services I would have still expect you to have more input into the decisions.

    Regarding what people think regarding the configuration perhaps you could outline the services you expect to run?

    Ben
    Hi ben thx for the reply,

    DHCP
    DNS
    WSUS
    SIMS
    FOG (on a linux box or maybe could vm?)
    FILESERVER
    SOPHOS
    WEBSENSE
    CASHLESS CATERING

    was looking at app-v also.... but still need to do more research on this.

    thx for your input

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    Do you have a physic domain controller or want additional virtual ones?

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by plexer View Post
    Do you have a physic domain controller or want additional virtual ones?

    Ben
    At the mo we have one physical Controller. We have never used virtual servers before but are willing to use them. the servers will be running 2008 r2 Ent also

    thx

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