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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    No, your parents need to get off their asses and find things out for themselves. I'm sorry but saying something needs to be network level rather than people taking responsibility for their own children and their computer access is just promoting lazy parenting.

    If the information and education is lacking, improve the information and education!
    Sorry I just don't agree with that. Its wrong to assume people have the same technical knowledge as us.

    My dad can't even double click a mouse

    Talk talk have been doing this for a while and it works perfectly. Its a really good option and something when you buy their service you simply have to explain to the telephone operator that you want. Any parent can do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CAM View Post
    Hmm got to agree with X on this one!
    So... awesome...





    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Sorry I just don't agree with that. Its wrong to assume people have the same technical knowledge as us.

    My dad can't even double click a mouse
    Google > "internet filtering" > click one > download > install > GUI makes it easy


    There would also be threads and articles on HOW to restrict internet in the search results.

    It's not lack of technical ability, it's laziness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Sorry I just don't agree with that. Its wrong to assume people have the same technical knowledge as us.

    My dad can't even double click a mouse

    Talk talk have been doing this for a while and it works perfectly. Its a really good option and something when you buy their service you simply have to say you want. Any parent can do that.
    If you don't have the skills to know what your child is doing on the kit, go out and get educated. Simple as that. I cannot and will not accept that ISPs should have to provide massive filtering systems for use by everyone. It will increase costs to all for one, not to mention who decides what is to be filtered?

    Its like if you buy a pet. What do you do? Just flounder about and get the shop owner to look after it? No, you find out what type of food it needs, what exercise, if it needs a cage etc...

    With a child its exactly the same, you find out what you need to do to keep that child safe - including on the computer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    If you don't have the skills to know what your child is doing on the kit, go out and get educated. Simple as that. I cannot and will not accept that ISPs should have to provide massive filtering systems for use by everyone. It will increase costs to all for one, not to mention who decides what is to be filtered?

    Its like if you buy a pet. What do you do? Just flounder about and get the shop owner to look after it? No, you find out what type of food it needs, what exercise, if it needs a cage etc...

    With a child its exactly the same, you find out what you need to do to keep that child safe - including on the computer!
    ^ This

    Why should we all be forced to have extremely filtered Internet connections just because a few parents cant get their act together and work out how to protect their kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    If you don't have the skills to know what your child is doing on the kit, go out and get educated. Simple as that. I cannot and will not accept that ISPs should have to provide massive filtering systems for use by everyone. It will increase costs to all for one, not to mention who decides what is to be filtered?
    I see what your saying but I don't think you quite understand how the talk talk filter works.

    You can add it to your broadband package when you buy it. On top of that you get granular control over the blocking categories if needed via a web interface. Parents can decide what to filter and what to allow if they are indeed technically minded. You can turn it on or off at will, its not mandatory. I expect most parents will simply ask for the adult filter to be applied upon buying the service. That's what really makes it work, its as simple as a phone call.

    It really is an excellent system and one I wish more ISPs would adopt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    I see what your saying but I don't think you quite understand how the talk talk filter works.

    You can add it to your broadband package when you buy it. On top of that you get granular control over the blocking categories if needed via a web interface. Parents can decide what to filter and what to allow if they are indeed technically minded. You can turn it on or off at will, its not mandatory. I expect most parents will simply ask for the adult filter to be applied upon buying the service. That's what really makes it work, its as simple as a phone call.

    It really is an excellent system and one I wish more ISPs would adopt.

    You're starting to sound like you're advertising...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    I see what your saying but I don't think you quite understand how the talk talk filter works.

    You can add it to your broadband package when you buy it. On top of that you get granular control over the blocking categories if needed via a web interface. Parents can decide what to filter and what to allow if they are indeed technically minded. You can turn it on or off at will, its not mandatory. I expect most parents will simply ask for the adult filter to be applied upon buying the service. That's what really makes it work, its as simple as a phone call.

    It really is an excellent system and one I wish more ISPs would adopt.
    Your proposal still means that parents will need to know what they're doing, and ask for a filter to be put in place, but it means that the cost for that has to be covered somehow, and I doubt Talk Talk are charging individual customers for the service, but are spreading it across their entire customer-base. Why do Talk Talk not provide it as firmware on their routers they ship to people, which they can enable locally on their connection via a web interface?

    The Talk Talk system only works well because so few people use it I'd guess, as the hardware required for mass filtering is expensive to say the least - just look at the kit needed in a school for a 100Mbit connection.

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    The talk talk filter is free as far as I know and has not added to the cost of their products in any way.

    I think this quote sums it up quite well:

    'Of course, it’s not a silver bullet and it doesn't absolve parents from the responsibility of knowing what their children are up to online. But our research shows parents understand this. They don't want their ISP to control what content they can or can't access online – they just want their ISP to give them the power to implement settings that are right for their family,' said Tristia Clarke, a TalkTalk spokesperson.

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    But our research shows parents understand this. They don't want their ISP to control what content they can or can't access online
    Well, according to mumsnet [who represent all parents for some reason] they DO want ISP level filtering. [referenced in the report]

    So, either TalkTalk are lying or Mumsnet are trying to force legislation to allow them to keep being lazy.


    But, it's proving my point. There are enough things around to do this already. ISP level filtering isn't needed.


    Also, TalkTalk not charging for filtering != it's free

    It just means they're getting the money for it another way.
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    Mumsnet = lovejoy.jpg

    I dont think any legislation is needed as the original article states.

    It just needs the optional products from the ISP's to be made available like talk talk have done.

    EDIT: I forgot to say that if anything is made mandatory I would be marching up the street with placards with you all
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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    The talk talk filter is free as far as I know and has not added to the cost of their products in any way.

    I think this quote sums it up quite well:
    Nothing is free. Talk Talk have servers in place to support that service. They will have to cover the costs somehow, so they'll be charging all customers to do so. If they didn't have those costs, and they maintained the same profit margins, they would charge customers less. Simple economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Mumsnet lovejoy.jpg
    If you think about the children too much, you're going to meet Chris Hansen.


    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    I forgot to say that if anything is made mandatory I would be marching up the street with placards with you all
    If it's made mandatory, I'm figuring out how to bypass it and handing it out to everyone.
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    It's called a proxy server (another thing that any national net filter would need to block to be effective).

    The entire ISP responsibility argument is flawed though. Imagine if one of your students used your LA E-Mail system to make phishing attacks and you got nicked for it because it's your network?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag View Post
    Mumsnet = lovejoy.jpg
    edugeek is just a geekier version of mumsnet; check the content filter posts

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    So 9 out of 10 14-16 year olds access porn regularly at home, well I wonder how much money they spent finding that one out? Of course they look at porn, all teenagers (boy's mainly i'd of thought) have done and will do. It's part of growing up,it's been a while since I was a teen and I didn't have the enjoyment of the internet back then, had to rely on the random finding of a porn mag that had been stashed in a bush, or one passed down from an older brother or older friend. Kids access porn, whether it be on the internet or in a magazine, you can't stop it, why would you want to? It's part of growing up...
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