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    Remember your internet connection is already filtered by your ISP. It's called Cleanfeed. Regardless I doubt any central filtering system proposed will work (Cleanfeed is already easily evaded). Plus it might fall foul of the Human Rights Act.
    Last edited by Geoff; 18th April 2012 at 02:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    is it just me are are there worse things on the net than porn anyway?

    id rather have kids watch porn than say beheadings etc (granted im not a parent)
    Very true, some really nasty stuff out there that makes a few naked people look tame

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw View Post
    Another sneaky backdoor way of getting China-style restrictions on our Internet. Classic tactics... use kids as a scare tactic and who would disagree with making the Internet "safer"
    The line 'it's to stop peederfiles' will be along soon.

    Modern OSs have filters. Most routers have filters. IpCop is free. Thin end of the wedge.

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    The information gained from the Internet is perfectly safe. The danger lies in individuals use of that information and in this case it is up to parents to teach the difference between right and wrong. Yet again the responsibility of parenting is being passed to the state, very soon our children will be raised in farms only to meet adults when they are old enough.

    Now, in the meantime, what are we going to do about those kitchen knives?

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    Modern OSs have filters. Most routers have filters. IpCop is free. Thin end of the wedge.
    All very true, but some people struggle with tying shoelaces, let alone anything that requires a modicum of intelligence to operate....

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    I had to explain this to my Dad who innocently asked me to sign a petition along these lines. I had to decline and explain about the IWF filters all ready in use and how it leads to creep and would rather parents took an interest in what their kids did, like he did at some very awkward moments to me. He seemed a bit crest fallen but accepted it.

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    Out of interest how many have now read the full report including the transcripts of the oral evidence?

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    Cleanfeed, of course, blocked a Wikipedia page of a music album because they considered the cover to be a child abuse image, so even the most well meaning of intentions ends up in censorship.

    No-one is calling for compulsory filtering here though - at least, not as far as I've read - so this is a different proposition. And whilst I personally wouldn't use it because I'm happier using the Windows Live filter, a lot of people are not even that technical, and just want something to set up once and work without their intervention.

    It is just lazy parenting though. And given that I saw my first naughty magazine at about 11 and I turned out relatively normal and capable of healthy relationships*, it's not necessarily the danger that MPs are painting it as. That's politicians for you, though.

    *relatively

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    It is just lazy parenting though. And given that I saw my first naughty magazine at about 11 and I turned out relatively normal and capable of healthy relationships*, it's not necessarily the danger that MPs are painting it as. That's politicians for you, though.
    I've made this point in other threads here in the past, but it never fails to amaze me that it is deemed acceptable (from a legal standpoint) in this country to show dead and dying people on the TV and on the front page of newspapers at any time in any place, but the moment you see a nipple, there's outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT2 View Post
    So Mr government types, shut up complaining and pointing out what's wrong, and do something about it!!
    Like perhaps sack this year's foreign aid budget and bring about an awareness campaign and regulation on the standard of parental controls an ISP should provide......
    Maybe they should make ISP's employ a cluster of smoothwall boxes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    I've made this point in other threads here in the past, but it never fails to amaze me that it is deemed acceptable (from a legal standpoint) in this country to show dead and dying people on the TV and on the front page of newspapers at any time in any place, but the moment you see a nipple, there's outrage.
    And as I think I've responded in the past, blame 1500+ years of Christianity glorifying violence unto Dirty Furren Types and stigmatising those filthy primal urges.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    Maybe they should make ISP's employ a cluster of smoothwall boxes ?
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    tl:dr; +12

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT2 View Post
    All very true, but some people struggle with tying shoelaces, let alone anything that requires a modicum of intelligence to operate....
    ... and they're allowed to procreate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac_shinobi View Post
    Maybe they should make ISP's employ a cluster of smoothwall boxes ?
    Wouldn't be a bad thing

    ... and they're allowed to procreate?
    Unfortunately yes.... Like for example the moron on the M62 this morning who almost side-swiped me and was picking his nose, and using his mobile at the same time.... Land Rover 1. Frightened little fool 0
    Last edited by DT2; 19th April 2012 at 09:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    So long as it's an entirely optional, opt-in system

    It isn't. [At least, it sounds like they want it on by default]


    All the current filters aren't fool-proof and they end up flagging things for stupid reasons.


    For example, this thread [and by extension all of Edugeek] would be flagged as adult material because of the "porn" in the title.


    All this because people don't want to look after their own children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    It isn't. [At least, it sounds like they want it on by default]
    Quote Originally Posted by The article
    Other recommendations included:

    * A government review of an opt-in filter to access adult material on the internet
    Clearly, yes, this is all stuff that needs to be done by the parents not a filter. Unfortunately, back in the real world, there is a significant portion of parents who just don't give a damn.


    EDIT: re-reading that quote, it's not actually very clear is it - so it's opt in to access adult material? or it's an opt-in filter? because presumably accessing the adult material is opting out of the filter? if they are genuinely proposing an automatic filter on the internet then yeah, that suddenly shifts into the sinister and my opinion on the matter likewise shifts.
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