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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    @Geoff: So what if a criminal act is commited? For instance if your gateway is used to facilitate the theft of funds from somebody's bank account or similar?

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    Copyright infringment is a civil offence.
    For now. I'm sure the Pigopolists will force our Gov to change that, in the same sort of way they are going after AllofMP3. :x

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    So what if a criminal act is commited? For instance if your gateway is used to facilitate the theft of funds from somebody's bank account or similar?
    Well, again, turning over my logs would probably be a start. But I'd expect to have my equipment seized. Not that that helps, it's all running disk encryption.

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    So what if a criminal act is commited? For instance if your gateway is used to facilitate the theft of funds from somebody's bank account or similar?
    I'd have to turn over my equipment.
    And if your equipment allowed the access - even if they can't find it to be your computer(s) - are you legally accountable?

    In a similar vein, if school equipment was used by a 3rd party do perform criminal activity would the school (and RBC since Internet connection is provided by them) be responsible in that instance?

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    It is usually classed as 'going equipped' or 'aiding and abbetting', both of which are criminal offences.

    Ignorance is no defence against the law and with Geoff's job the CPS would have reasonable grounds to presume that he has prior knowledge that the system he has setup would allow it to be abused and allow people to commit criminal offences.

    It is a dangerous line to walk and if you think that the open network could not only be used for file sharers to download MP3s, but also to allow people to access and pull down child porn, information about committing other serious criminal acts ...

    People who don't know any better will get sympathy from me ... people who should know better get none ...

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook
    It is a dangerous line to walk and if you think that the open network could not only be used for file sharers to download MP3s, but also to allow people to access and pull down child porn, information about committing other serious criminal acts ...
    *watches Grumbledook trigger 21st century equivalent of Godwins Law*



    But how is that different from someone doing all of the above with a standard ISP? How is it different from someone going into a coffee shop and using their wireless router to do the same? Like the ISP and coffee shop, Geoff isn't responsible for the content his neighbours download using his free wifi.

    He _may_ (or may not) be in breach of his ISPs t&cs by sharing their bandwidth publicly, but that's another thing entirely.

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    The difference is intent. You've never come across an ISP which tacility encouraged copyright infringement especially on a public forum. Has any such ISP also said it will actively remove evidence of illegal acts to frustrate any likely court action.

    But this is probably all hypothetical. Geoff's not his real name anyway

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    Most people don't realise that Geoff isn't even a real person but a very well programmed AI system used by the Govt to test us all ...

    And yes ... one of the differences is intent ... another is the T&Cs ... if Geoff was to implement T&Cs with everyone connecting via the 'open' AP then he would be covered to a large extent.

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    He _may_ (or may not) be in breach of his ISPs t&cs by sharing their bandwidth publicly, but that's another thing entirely.
    Just to clarify this point. I only breach the T&C's of my ISP if I charge for the connection.

    if Geoff was to implement T&Cs with everyone connecting via the 'open' AP then he would be covered to a large extent.
    Indeed. The wifi AP is running as a captive portal. The only T&C's I inist on are 'Don't be stupid'.

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    Re: The BBC showing off WiFi Hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff
    if Geoff was to implement T&Cs with everyone connecting via the 'open' AP then he would be covered to a large extent.
    Indeed. The wifi AP is running as a captive portal. The only T&C's I inist on are 'Don't be stupid'.
    Getting better ... but stll not enough ... you have expert knowledge of what constitutes 'stupid' and you have not shown that this is conveyed to your users ... you still have a responsibility to do so.

    Some as simple as forcing their home page to be a page listing the stupid things could be enough ... but still skating on thin ice ...

    Especially when you consider one of those stupid things could be accessing paedophilic materials, information on bomb making and a heap of other things that the govt doesn't track.



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