The usual round of "Linux kicks <insert OS here>" but kicks in. I agree with Tony to some extent- every OS user (no matter the system you use) should be fully aware of security in all its aspects. Admittedly, OS X users can be found complacent when it comes to this topic, simply because there has yet to be a serious infiltration of the operating system. That may come at some point- and perhaps it's inevitable (and will happen in the same way it occurs for Linux
What I want to take issue with Tony is your statement about a "proof of concept" trojan. Can I ask which one(s) you have tried, and what you had to do to make the "concept" apply to your machine? I ask because all of the concepts I have seen for OS X have needed the "first you need to do this; then that; then some more here; also this; and that; to get this" mechanism to work, and then only most of the time affect the account executed under. That's the Unix way really. It isn't that Unix is impenetrable (it's not as history teaches us) but it is darned hard to break without the right things being in place to do it. It's like some kind of convergence of the stars
Of course, being a good Mac user I take security seriously. As a Vista user too on my MBP I have anti-virus, watch what I download (just like I watch what I eat) and if passing files between systems make sure everything is as clean as I can. That's why I run ClamAV on OS X- so that I can be a good OS citizen in this world of Windows. But it would be good to know what trojans you have been looking at and how you got them working.
Just for the sake of the discussion ;-)
What I call Distro-Wars has made the rounds on EduGeek yet again. Yes...cartoon not /that/ funny. Bait for flame wars. Can't people just respect other people's right to use a bloody mac if they want to! As long as it does what they want then let them to it!!!
Btw....I own an Apple product and I'll have you know I'm sat here wearing an Ubuntu t-shirt and I don't worship steve jobs.
Nope. ;-)Can't people just respect other people's right to use a bloody mac if they want to!
Yes you do, subconsciously.I own an Apple product and I'll have you know I'm sat here wearing an Ubuntu t-shirt and I don't worship steve jobs.
Presently there are fewer attack vectors, but that will not last forever, and it will be down to user stupidity that the few obvious ones get exploited. The other attack vectors are down to poor coding and vunerabilities of apps that are cross platform anyway.
Your hatred/fixation with MacOS X is bordering on the pathological.
What happened is there a traumatic event in your past which tuned into a Mac-o-phobe? Did the love of your life run of with a Porsche driving Mac user.;-)
That was patched in the 10.4.7 update (check the advisory). Of course there are others, and being "proof of concept" means they "could" work given the right convergence of events. Leap-A (coming in the form of a Trojan; a file called LatestPics.tgz) had to use Tiger (it relied on Spotlight to work). You had to put the file on your machine yourself- normally delivered over chat or from other sites purporting to give away Leopard pictures Some people were stupid enough to download and double click for sure. Leap-A didn't actually do anything "malicious"- it didn't recursively delete files (for example), and at the worst stopped applications from launching. Andrew Welch stated that it would do nasty things to your machine--but that wasn't seen. I tried it on my own system and it did...nothing.
How did people fix the system if their applications were impacted by this trojan? Just install clean versions of the applications. Getting rid of the trojan was as easy as deleting the apphook file (though the name changed later on to something else).
At the end of the day what we *all* need is defence in depth. And we all need educating about our respective operating system and its security needs. And then of course we all need to download from trusted sites ;-)
My point though, was those hoops. That needs to be remembered right now. OS X is inherently more secure than some other systems, but the weak link in the chain (I think we agree here) is the user.
note to over zealous admins: lets hope I don't get told off for that comment like i did my intercourse one. They are jokes people - just jokes !!
Just to put the record straight, I hate Steve Jobs more than I hate Macs....;-)
Anyone would think I just love stiring the debate or lighting the blue touch paper wouldn't they........ who knows, I may actually own a Mac....
Anyway, i'm not a die hard apple fanboy, but i would be prepared to put down a fair amount of money for an original boxed Apple Newton. A product ahead of it's time.
....I mean it can't be any worse than PDA's running pocket pc or Windows mobile or whatever MS call they're joke of a PDA OS. And i'm sure there are one or two newton enthusiast/owners clubs around for software and tweaks.
As I said before, I abandoned Linux because I didn't have time for all the tinkering and configuring. I wanted to get some work done. I also felt that computers should not be machines just for the geeks but should be accessible to the general public and usable out of the box. Geeks will always prefer an OS which allows them to receive the adulation of the majority who do not possess such advanced skills. Why would they want to lose status by adopting Mac OS X?
OK, I have a virgin Eee PC. What do I do next to access my remote WebDAV drive using the default tools already installed . . .
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