I don't particularly wish to defend Atomwide's filtering policies, or the responses which people are currently getting from Atomwide support.
However, I was in a session at the recent LGfL conference at which Martin Coulson (CEO of Atomwide) responded to some criticisms in this area. He made it clear that the current rate of switchovers from LGfL 1.0 to 2.0 has put constraints on the flexibility with which their support operation can respond to requests. As you can imagine, LGfL has always had problems with spammy outbound connections resulting in blacklisting of tranches of their own outbound IP address space. This is why there are messages-per-minute rate limits at their email relays. Apparently these will rise after a couple of weeks, once it is clear that a particular customer IP range isn't sending spam. Of course, the limits for a declared school mail relay should start off much higher. From the discussion, I would judge that these algorithms are being tuned at the moment and will probably need adjusting some more.
One of the problems with the current load on Atomwide support is that subtle problems may not be escalated to people who can do something about them (Martin.) This is clearly unsatisfactory. Maybe a direct email to Martin Coulson (probably at firstname.lastname@example.org, or maybe email@example.com?) will do the trick for you.
I would observe that email message rate-limiting is a perfectly sensible approach to trying to limit outgoing spam. It's quite common amongst ISPs these days. I would also question whether a single Exchange installation is actually a reliable way to send email.
Last edited by esucmn; 11th May 2012 at 03:08 PM.
Actually, I am not surprised. He is very opinionated.
My first post here so bear with me!
I have been in contact with our account manager at LogMeIn to discuss this issue at length. We are working for a way to overcome this but our responses from LGFL has been minimal.
It should be noted that Serco Learning have not changed any of our remote access policies - and we were as caught blindsided by this as you were. I would advise all schools to discuss this with your ISP and we will continue to work on a technical solution with our Partner from LogMeIn.
I'm not sure about the rate limit your talking about here - I've found two ways to get outbound to work - firstly just post straight out to the main LGfL smtp outbound servers - no limit's on them - my email servers using this one along with my help desk system. Then I have a photocopier that wants to email the manufacturer when it's feeling sick which I use the email relay service which has a limit on it and is explained in the online manual
If it reaches the limit then the system just disables it for a hour and then starts you up again after the hour is finished which is done automatically and that’s displayed in the tab on the support site - if you over run the limit then it's worth looking at why your sending loads of emails and either fixing the problem or asking for an increase on them limit which I got or posting into your own email server. If you tell them a to and a from address you get a massive limit and if you tell them nothing then a small limit.
Last edited by Nodrog; 18th May 2012 at 08:07 AM.
Just touching on email still: Has anyone managed to get Atomwide to allow IMAP? On the example sheet of the MIPs request form it gives email as an example service, indicating that they will unblock the necessary ports if requested. However, one of my customers has just sent this to me in despair:
support desk:What about the teachers that wish to access their gmail etc accounts using an email client like we did on lgfl1?
Teachers with ipads? iPhones etc? Will that work through ECC? (what is ecc?)
What an upgrade!No I'm afraid there is no way to route that email through the ECC towers they will have to use the web browser on their devices.
I got a range of ports opened up for Gmail – they have a 'group' for all the google ip address and I just asked for them to be allowed as outbound connections to the specified ranges that they use. I started by just asking for outbound to any old ip and that did not work.
LGfL have announced that they are working with LogMe in to find a solution. Apparently there was even a LMI rep at the LGFL Conference a few weeks ago.
On the topic of GMAIL - have you asked for the ports and hosts listed in this article? Configuring other mail clients - Google Mail Help
LGfL is very very short of publicly adressable IP addresses. They are desperately keen to avoid any blacklists, which are terribly easy to get onto if even one site has a spammy peice of malware. I would hope that by naming the specific server you wish to communicate with and that it requires authentication ought to allay their fears.
It is interesting - until very recently I have found LGfL to be completely opaque. The first time they really opened up was via the nominated contact training, and now every time problems from the migration hit us, the more open they become. I really hope that they will start behaving like a comercial organisation when it comes to customer relations. They only have a limited pool of customers - and now that many of them are no longer locked in, they absolutely have to start communicating better with the technical staff in schools.
They also need to realise that they have to treat the consumers of the service as the customers. Atomwide's customer is not thee or me, but LGfL. In many cases LGfL's customer is not even the school but the LA. The consumers of the service are left in the dark without a voice.
Maintenance windows, changes, filter rules, rate limiters, absolute blocks, changes all need to be publicised. Their network reaches deep into schools and unexpected changes can cause chaos.
They esposed an openess will to listend to the consumers of the service at the Conference this year. It would be really good to see them put their money where their mouth is.
Have just received this little gem from CentraStage....
So, the short of it is they block logmein and supply CentraStage as a replacement which won't allow me to connect ad-hoc, it has to be initiated by a user. How the hell is that meant to work on a server, do I ring a user at the site, ask them to RDP into the server and click the "HELP ME" button, just so I can do my job? Shafted once again by LGfL!I am contacting you following your recent account registration for the CentraStage platform. I wanted to share with you the additional information about Centrastage and the capabilities of the software you are entitled to Free as part of the LGFL.
If you have any support queries please raise them with our support team directly by simply visiting the Centrastage Community
What do I get for Free? - The on demand version that you receive free of charge as part of the LGFL, allows you to have the below features:
-********* Auditing – Agent comes online every 7 days and run an audit (attended remote session)
-********* Remote Support – end user initiated remote takeover
The full product is upgradeable at a cost and will provide you with an ‘unrestricted’, always on agent capability.
-********* Unattended remote control
-********* Software Deployment
-********* Patch Management
If you would like further details around the product commercials or a run through of what the full product can provide, please contact me directly and I will be happy provide a breakdown for you.
Keen to hear your thoughts and look forward to your feedback.
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