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    @Disease, yup he knows that but they still think the standards are important, i need to be able to say something like, most schools are using 1xfirewall 1xfilter system 1xvpn ...... what extras are you getting? filter system etc

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    I've just had a quote from BT as i'm being told we can now get a leased line of greater than 2mb lol.

    All on 100meg bearer, 10meg@£19000, 20meg@£21000 and 100meg@£31000 all plus VAT. Sickening prices just because we are a little bit rural!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post
    I've just had a quote from BT as i'm being told we can now get a leased line of greater than 2mb lol.

    All on 100meg bearer, 10meg@£19000, 20meg@£21000 and 100meg@£31000 all plus VAT. Sickening prices just because we are a little bit rural!
    You see I think this is where traditionally going with your LA has been beneficial. I know where we are in the Y&H region, there are a lot of more rural schools as well as those in the city, so an LA has been able to aggregate the costs for connections across the whole area. This for example has been beneficial to the rural school who have been able to pay £3K per annum for their line, even though it would actually cost £5K and the town based school has paid £3K when the actual cost of the line would be £1K. Again if it was based on pupil numbers, the more rural school would lose out again as their connection cost would be higher, but they would have fewer pupil numbers and therefore a smaller budget.

    It is easy to adopt an "I'm alright jack" attitude and only be interested in your microcosm, but it does have a knock on effect in most cases.

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    Being an independant school we've never had the choice of the LA comforting our costs, i'm not bitter much lol

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    We will stick with the LA getting 20meg its just gone up by 40% making it £7,168 this year and that's over 8 x 2mb lines.

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    I too am looking at changing, living close to a POP i thought the price would be better with BT or Virgin, still waiting for Virgin to come in but BT comes in at 13,540 (5yrs PA) or 14,070 (3yrs PA) for 30M on a 100meg barer. then we would need some filtering so having got a quote from smoothwall this pushes the cost substantially higher than our SWGFL proposed costs for next year. unless i can get a 20 or 30 Meg line from virgin at something like 5-6K i don't think its worth moving away at the moment unfortunately. i would be worried about using something like SDSL or ADSL as the speed is so low, and i think it would be noticeable if we have 3-400 odd students online at the same time, which is possible here.

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    We're a small private primary school (bout 200 students) and have been using a 1Mbit connection on old copper line with BT, and it was painfully slow.
    I have just got a 2yr deal with them to upgrade to fibre on 40/6Mbit ADSL for £45+VAT per month. We only have one ICT room with 20 PC's (plus admin staff) so it should be enough.
    We have a Cisco firewall in place and currently using Websense filtering so that's already sorted.

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    This year at BETT from what I've seen so far I would expect to find a number of firms selling ISP Service, including LUNS (Lancaster Uni Network Services) who are the people behind CLEO (well are until BT take over and IMHO destroy the hard work done by them in an incredibly rural setting!). The profile for LUNS on the BETT site says that the are launching into the wider market at BETT, and others will be doing the same. I expect it to be a busy week on for ISP services and Filtering Suppliers and areas associated with them. So don't make any hasty rushes into things until you've visited BETT where I am sure you will find some good options and offers.

    Make a date with Smoothwall for your filtering, and you can visit us on the Edugeek stand at the same time as they are next to us

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.81 View Post
    Being an independant school we've never had the choice of the LA comforting our costs, i'm not bitter much lol
    Have you ever approached your RBC directly?

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    We are tied into a county arrangement (Oxfordshire) paying £2600/year for a 2mbit SDSL link. This does not include filtering, we have to either pay the county extra to use theirs, or provide our own (but it has to be BECTA-compliant...)

    Does anyone else think this is excessive? We only have 200 pupils, so a maximum of about 20 people using the connection at the same time. I reckon straightforward ADSL would be faster!

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    have just got a 2yr deal with them to upgrade to fibre on 40/6Mbit ADSL for £45+VAT per month. We only have one ICT room with 20 PC's (plus admin staff) so it should be enough.
    We have a Cisco firewall in place and currently using Websense filtering so that's already sorted.
    I wish we could all do that

    Don't get me wrong - I've a socialist heart at times so I wouldn't want some remote rural school losing out but a lot of savings could be made by surburban/city schools getting direct cable/fibre feeds on commercial rates from BT/Virgin/etc without the RBC overheads but with the LEA giving more subsidies to remote schools.

    VPNs would take care of any security issues/connecting to the over-vaunted NEN!

    Simon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexarius View Post
    We are tied into a county arrangement (Oxfordshire) paying £2600/year for a 2mbit SDSL link. This does not include filtering, we have to either pay the county extra to use theirs, or provide our own (but it has to be BECTA-compliant...)

    Does anyone else think this is excessive? We only have 200 pupils, so a maximum of about 20 people using the connection at the same time. I reckon straightforward ADSL would be faster!
    Seems a lot for 2mb, but I think the key is the Synchronous bit - if you don't have any on-site servers for people to access remotely (webmail, VLE etc.) then you probably don't need all that much upspeed and ADSL would be fine. Particularly ADSL2+, you can get some very competitive prices. Don't know what rates Smoothwall would come out at for you (for example) but even if you don't save much money, with ADSL2+ & a Smoothie you'd likely have a much faster & more flexible solution than whatever you get now for you £2.6k.

    My tuppence anyway!

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    Primary Schools around here pay about £5000 a year for 10meg line with filtering and anti-virus, about £3800 for just the line.

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    State school here, but we disagreed with county some time ago and moved away.
    We use 2 adsl lines with isa 2010 load balancing between them, and smoothwall providing the filtering.
    We have had to clamp down on youtube, radio stations etc but it didn't take staff long to settle down.

    Contrary to what most counties imply you are not required to use their solutions or filtering, it is solely the choice of the headteacher.

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    We give embc around £12500 pa for 10mb over fibre. There's a briefing on the 19th to discuss our options beyond the end of the contract. Struggling to justify their cost atm - urban primary, 200 kids.

    We also have embc hosted mail. I suspect that moving email to another provider will be a royal PITA.



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