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7th January 2010, 01:00 PM #16
I usede to use vncon and batch watch 10 screens at a time find the usernames of the ones who were doing stuff I didn't like then put them on a login script that included a net send message to me when they logged in then I would watch from scratch how they were doing what they were doing.
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8th January 2010, 09:50 AM #17
The same as Tyiell here. I used to use a fortinet box which was as much use as a chocolate fireguard. Switched to dansguardian and squid and havent looked back. If I was allowed to spend money then I would have gone smoothwall but hey, being the only linux guy here it keeps me in a job.
A good tip is to have a group in dansguardian that is super restricted (we operate a whitelist only group for unauthorised connections - great for guests). That way I can dump the miscreants into the restricted internet group giving them no freedom to do anything naughty.
Echoing the same as everyone here - you need something that will have weighted scans or phrased scans not just blocklists.
Last edited by KK20; 8th January 2010 at 09:54 AM.
8th January 2010, 10:37 AM #18
Or do what CLEO have done and whitelist sites
8th January 2010, 10:47 AM #19
Smoothwall is great (we are yet to have ours fully set up) and we will be moving to it. Meanwhile here we have Securus and Safetynet (LEA provided Safetynet) running together. Securus is great for this kind of thing.
14th January 2010, 02:45 PM #20
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I use ISA 2006 with keyword blocking and a white list for flash sites
14th January 2010, 02:54 PM #21
also remember, things like lite.facebook.com will allow them access.
14th January 2010, 02:57 PM #22
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Originally Posted by Ben-BSH
Thats what the magic of wildcards is for. http://*.Facebook.*
14th January 2010, 03:17 PM #23
you all seem to have missed something
a few month ago we were having the same problem, kids were getting on facebook, but they wernt using proxy sites, nor were they accessing it through http://www.facebook.com....turns out our LEA filter and our ISA server were not blocking HTTPS traffic, so the kids were changing the http to HTTPS, to gain access to facebook. we simply used ISA 2004 to block https traffic to that site, and the problem has never returned.
14th January 2010, 03:54 PM #24
For those who use filter which analyses the content of the page, pop "Facebook © 2010" in the illegal / banned words list. It shouldn't matter what proxy they use - it appears on every page as far as I am aware.
14th January 2010, 04:11 PM #25
Originally Posted by Dom_
and that would be a least two offences under the computer misuse act....
14th January 2010, 04:59 PM #26
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Really pointless as well!
Originally Posted by Dom_
You can reset passwords why bother logging there password :S
If you have basic internet filtering you should be able to divulge into the logs to find out what sites they are using but then it comes down to is it your responsibility. If they find ways to get on the site in lesson shouldn't it be the teacher responsibility to sort it out. But then the other argument is security are these proxy sites safe 99% of the time no.
You just need a better plan of action confirmed with SLT, if we find any student trying to bypass our security its a weeks ban from the internet simple as that and no one can come in and say urban them.
14th January 2010, 05:13 PM #27
Smoothwall will definitely do it.
Two years ago we knew we had a problem with social networking sites esp. facebook. Just sitting at the back of the room, the teacher would be waffling away at the front, oblivious that half the laptop screens were showing facebook.
Our LA blocked facebook, but they were al using a range of proxies.
Smoothwall killed this dead, as well as their webmail and loads of other time wasting stuff.
I've said this before. For a few weeks I would get abuse off whole classes of pupils. They would scream things like
The teacher and I would stand at the front smiling at them, whilst they calmed down and got on with work.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING NOW BECAUSE OF THIS F
It was entertaining watching them trying whole lists of proxies - all blocked.
Staff love it, kids hate it. Just as it should be.
15th January 2010, 09:53 AM #28
dont be too proud of this technical terror
The damned problem now is that after killing blogging sites I now need to open some up for the A level Artwork. Damn! Thats ANOTHER group I need to create for DG. Dont get me started on i-GCSE ICT and their live practical exams.
15th January 2010, 10:06 AM #29
I take it no one here like the idea of Facebook in class then? Just wondering after reading this article.
BBC News - Schools must embrace mobile technology
But not all schools are so keen to embrace technology. Many still ban the use of mobile phones and social networking sites such as Facebook.
15th January 2010, 10:48 AM #30
Children in the future will have choices about where and how they learn and if schools aren't enticing, pupils won't come.
Is it me, or are kids given entirely too much choice? They're kids, and not necessarily capable of making the best decisions for themselves. I'm sure a lot of kids, if given the choice, wouldn't go to school or take any form of education at all!
As for Facebook in class - lots of teenagers like sex too. Perhaps we should allow them to have sex in class: it's a bit of exercise and improves their social skills.
Last edited by LeMarchand; 15th January 2010 at 11:11 AM.
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