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    Post Pupils 'bypassing school internet security

    Actually quite a balanced article considering.

    BBC - Newsbeat - Pupils 'bypassing school internet security'

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    It just goes to show that education can only go so far. Even if the problem was technically solved, the Government still haven't addressed the issue of what children can be exposed to at home. I consider this a much greater problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    It just goes to show that education can only go so far. Even if the problem was technically solved, the Government still haven't addressed the issue of what children can be exposed to at home. I consider this a much greater problem.
    Sorry, much as I hate to start a debate that's not really down to the government, that's down to the parents.

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    I agree parenting should go a long way, but then again horror stories with social networking websites and chat rooms are certainly on the rise statistically. Although you have the likes of OpenDNS which allows some filtering, as far as I am aware pretty much every ISP in the UK doesn't offer a similar service (something more mainstream) to customers. Most people are not computer experts.

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    No, since we provide social workers for bad parents, it is clearly somthing else we can blame the government for failing to nurse and pander the general public.

    The government is clearly not spending enough on advice and consultation in prepairing the public for such situations and should be building a giant firewall thingy to protect everyone who bought a computer, doesnt know how to use it, and therefore thought it would be good to plonk it in a childs bedroom, and didnt think a webcam was a bad idea or talking to their child about the bad internet goblins.

    We should be forcing ISP's and BT to insure the parenting button can be enabled by default.

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    We should be forcing ISP's and BT to insure the parenting button can be enabled by default.
    100% agree, with the option to turn it off on application.

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    But then again it should be the parents responsibility how they protect their children. If the government get the idea that they can filter everybody's Internet then we will have the same situation as Australia are having at the moment.
    I can understand some sites being blocked but I think it would be a better idea to pretend that they don't exist rather than BLOCKING them.

    When my dad first got us the interwebs I could bypass AOL's child safety feature after about a week.
    It is kinda pointless unless parents enforce it and my dad still can't use the computer properly.

    I can understand school's filtering their Internet obviously and if the proper measures are taken then it should be almost impossible for kids to bypass the filtering in school, ie group policy stopping exe execution to stop usb proxies etc.

    Not quite sure how you can be in control of how your ISP filters your interenet. Do you mean with software installed on the PC, because I've never installed any ISP software on any of my machines and i've never come across ISP software for linux.
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    We were asked a couple of weeks back to see if we had anything to add, and we put them in the direction of Tom Newton and a couple of others. All we could have possibly added was something along the lines of 'Well, we do our best', and this seem a bit weak given the article contents.

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    I contacted the guy, but he did not seem interested

    FWIW, I have some considerable form for telling journos not to blame school IT folks. Perhaps they don't like me because I don't scaremonger enough?

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    Obviously Mr Mackenzie has been taking a few lessons from some of his peers over at Revision3
    Stuff like this is prolific on the web and watched by our 9-18 yr olds on a daily basis, is it any wonder that they find the need to experiment?

    Hardly a revelation!

    It's a game of cat n mouse always has been always will be, if nothing else it keeps Network Managers on their toes or at least it should do!

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    Even the best filtering is useless, at the last count we had 20 students with iPhone and another 10 with blackberries filter those while the little darlings are at school! Wonder how many kids will get them at Xmas. Soon we'll be at 10% of students with unfiltered access I bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaz350 View Post
    Even the best filtering is useless, at the last count we had 20 students with iPhone and another 10 with blackberries filter those while the little darlings are at school! Wonder how many kids will get them at Xmas. Soon we'll be at 10% of students with unfiltered access I bet.
    But surely we can block 3G signals too? We have to be able to monitor them as well? Even though they are nothing to do with us, and are a mix of the phone companies / parents job to do that.

    Either that, or give them the key to the wireless - which is alot faster, but less secure, and filtered. Or as opposed to giving them the key, make it Open connection so everyone who lives nearby can access the 'majority' of the net that they can.

    Pupils will only get smarter, its called evolution - its the job of the Network Manager / Technicians to be up to speed with these techniques and troubleshooting ways that they can be counter attacked.

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    Out of interest has anyone got a guide for parents to install filtering at home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossj View Post
    Out of interest has anyone got a guide for parents to install filtering at home?
    Personally I would set up a home proxy server running dansguardian.

    Alternatively if you only use the firefox browser the WOT 'web of trust' and foxfilter add-ons are good if you can get rid of the disable button.

    Many ISP's do software with a parental filter mode option and I think some anti-viruses can do something similar.

    I haven't got a guide myself but I'm sure you could find one on the Internet for any of these methods.

    EDIT: I have looked around and found these links for filtering software for windows:

    http://www1.k9webprotection.com/
    http://www.allegrosurf.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by llawwehttam View Post
    Personally I would set up a home proxy server running dansguardian.
    Me too. A network filter is not perfect (as the article clearly points out) but it's a lot better than having a single local filter that kids can work around with knoppix plus a lot of kids have all kinds of wifi enabled devices at home. However, as soon as you mention the words 'network filter' to most parents after they ask your advice, they switch off. For most of them, they have no clue what I'm talking about beyond that point and certainly aren't going to be able to set it up, no matter how good a guide was produced. I had some long discussions about this issue on a non-technical forum. They will always go for the easiest option.

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