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    Providers (Leased line), Filtering systems

    We've been asked to do a little research on what's available out there and what people's thoughts are. So, if anyone would mind indulging us with details like:

    Who you use to provide your line
    What filtering system do you use
    Is that filtering system provided by your ISP - do you use a filtering system on top of what they provide?
    Are you happy with those services?
    Is anyone at larger schools providing any service to any other local/feeder schools such as filtering?

    Many thanks

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    BT 100/100mbit dedicated
    Smoothwall
    No we bought it independently
    Yes very happy so far, seems like the best and fastest system out there.
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    RM - 50/100mbps leased line and 10mbps EFM
    Smoothwall
    All bought independently
    Early days, but we're happier than we were under the LEA
    Hell no - not got the time, energy, expertese to provide for feeder schools.

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    M247 - 100/100 leased line with ADSL2 failover.
    Smoothwall UTM1000
    All in-house, no LA involvemennt.
    More than happy with everything, no issues.

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    Am I missing something here but wouldn't this be a fairer question if the numbers on roll and the quantity of devices connecting were being taken into consideration?

    Exponential-e 400/1000 leased line with ADSL2 failover.
    Lightspeed rocket hosted onsite but purchased through ISP who don't provide any additional filtering.
    The above fit our needs (I'll explain below)
    We aren't providing any services to any other schools.

    1,300 students growing to 1,700 by 2018
    750 workstations/laptops onsite
    Currently 720 iPads onsite (growing to 1,120 by September and 1,850 at least by 2018)
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    Gigler/City Fibre 1000mbps fibre line.
    Palo Alto 3020 NGFW through Gamma Networks.
    All run in house.

    we have 3 schools running off it. a 1600 roll / 1000 workstation/device secondary, a 500 roll / 200 device free school and a 250 roll / 100 device primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sibrows View Post
    Am I missing something here but wouldn't this be a fairer question if the numbers on roll and the quantity of devices connecting were being taken into consideration?

    Exponential-e 400/1000 leased line with ADSL2 failover.
    Lightspeed rocket hosted onsite but purchased through ISP who don't provide any additional filtering.
    The above fit our needs (I'll explain below)
    We aren't providing any services to any other schools.

    1,300 students growing to 1,700 by 2018
    750 workstations/laptops onsite
    Currently 720 iPads onsite (growing to 1,120 by September and 1,850 at least by 2018)

    Thanks, that's very true. Separately, what Rocket are you using? For instance our incumbent ISP says a Bottle isn't suitable for us yet Lightspeed say it's more than capable (1300 role, probably similar numbers to you for future, 700 devices)

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    Quote Originally Posted by synaesthesia View Post
    Who you use to provide your line
    What filtering system do you use
    Is that filtering system provided by your ISP - do you use a filtering system on top of what they provide?
    Are you happy with those services?
    Is anyone at larger schools providing any service to any other local/feeder schools such as filtering?
    We currently have a 10 megabit EFM line from Talk Talk. Filtering is currently done by an on-site Lightspeed Rocket appliance, no filtering is done by the ISP. Both systems work - the EFM line has been reliable so far, the web filter filters stuff.

    There's a chap coming from Expotential-E next week to discuss their fibre-based offering - @Sibrows, how do you find them? We're considering moving to Untangle for filtering, with a dual-server setup for failover. We could potentially partner with another school to link filtering and VM / storage capabilities - each school would keep the other's backups, and be capable of running VMs in case of a diasaster.

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    We're using a 100mb Fibre Lease Line from Exa-Networks. really happy with them and I'm surprised no one has already mentioned them.

    Free cloud filtering called SurfProtect. Much cheaper than most LEA offerings...

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    Thanks. Had a little root around SurfProtect and the information even from the horses mouth is a little vague. Will it work by via AD group at all? It comes across from their info as if it will only work on IP ranges

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    I know that the only problem is the lack of detail about SurfProtect. It's basic but does the job. The answer to your question is Yes it can filter by AD groups if you can enable ICAP on your DHCP so it forwards there AD details to the SurfProtect.

    My only criticism is the lack of reporting. It doesn't exist! Not an issue if you're a small primary but secondary will need something on site such as Censornet or Impero ect for user based reporting.

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    Who you use to provide your line
    Virtue Technologies

    What filtering system do you use
    Sophos UTM
    Is that filtering system provided by your ISP
    Yes
    - do you use a filtering system on top of what they provide?
    Yes but to a lesser extent - Impero
    Are you happy with those services?
    Yes
    Is anyone at larger schools providing any service to any other local/feeder schools such as filtering?
    Have done, but stopped due to power issues on site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattGibson View Post
    I know that the only problem is the lack of detail about SurfProtect. It's basic but does the job. The answer to your question is Yes it can filter by AD groups if you can enable ICAP on your DHCP so it forwards there AD details to the SurfProtect.

    My only criticism is the lack of reporting. It doesn't exist! Not an issue if you're a small primary but secondary will need something on site such as Censornet or Impero ect for user based reporting.
    Any filtering provided to schools without any level of reporting can't pass the new ofsted esafety guidelines surely? Primary or secondary. I know that exa will sell you a NetAsk box, which will help with AD integration and I'm told reporting. Needs to be a standard feature if you ask me, unless you are putting another filtering solution on the end of their line.

    Remember to compare apples with apples. A feature rich solution can not be compared with a bare bones connection on cost, reliability or service.

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    Who you use to provide your line?

    Schools Broadband

    What filtering system do you use?

    Lightspeed

    Is that filtering system provided by your ISP - do you use a filtering system on top of what they provide?

    Yes - we manage some classrooms with ABTutor, but it's more of an internet on/off thing.

    Are you happy with those services?

    Yep, pretty happy.

    Is anyone at larger schools providing any service to any other local/feeder schools such as filtering?

    We did look at this for a partner primary who geographically can't get a great connection. It's still a possibility if they out grow their connection before BT upgrade.

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    Who you use to provide your line

    Virgin 100mb leased line.

    What filtering system do you use

    Smoothwall Schoolguardian UTM (software with own hardware)

    Is that filtering system provided by your ISP - do you use a filtering system on top of what they provide?

    No

    Are you happy with those services?

    Virgin leased line yes, the company is fun to deal with but no issues with the line as of yet,
    Been Using smoothwall for 4-5 years, considering a switch

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