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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    Today's school environment has changed drastically but unfortunately the other professionals (Teaching Staff Primarily) have not changed quickly enough to expediate this.

    Some SLT also have dated ideas about communications systems and how they should work and their only source of knowledge comes from a dated Local Education Authority who are also trying their hardest to upgrade to a 21st century business.

    It's all about power and who has control i.e. which quango can come up with the best strategy for getting more from less. Government policies that quite frankly don't work in most situations but waste vasts amounts of money. This in turn fileters down to LEA and then to schools and then to staff. They in turn need to have the power and control and so back Phewww to the question in hand..........

    steele_uk... get an AUP i think i posted ours somewhere on the site if you need a copy then PM me. Then get the SLT to take it to the governors and get it accepted by the unions and you then should be able to move forward on this. good luck

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinator

    The School ICT Co-ordinator here has had less and less responsibilties here over the last 3 or 4 years and since the latest TLR structure he is predominantly Subject Leader for ICT and that is it.

    All ICT purchases are done through myself and the School Manager, with very little input from deputy head and Curriculum Director for e-Learning.

    Everybody is happy to proceed this way, and it leaves me a free role to get on with my job without any fuss.

    On answering your questions no food is allowed in any of our ICT Suites - its training the teachers that this includes Mugs of Tea and Coffee that you need to get right as students think if they see the teachers doing it then are able to do it.

    I delete all MP3's, Avi, MPEG, EXE, ZIP etc etc files that are non educational that are found in students areas, staff I am slightly more relaxed with althouth MP3's are a no no for them also.

    And staff here get the same level of filtering as our students, the only exception is certain admin staff in the office for booking train tickets etc online.

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinator

    Quote Originally Posted by Quackers
    You think that them having MP3's in there area is bad, i had to explain to the head teacher and rest of SMT why A) Limewire cannot run through the schools internet connection, and that B) Downloading music from it for school assemblys would be illegal unless they owned the CD, in which case limewire would not be needed in the first place, and thats the people at the top.
    Ah, the everyday battles of working in ICT in education. We have similar situation with joke emails. I'm not against them, in moderation, but when i check our exchange message log theres loads of "FW: how many men does it take......" etc. Now, how exactly can I implement a policy, which has to go through the head, when it's the head that most of these emails originate from! Not quite on the scale of the LimeWire thing, but perfect example of the difficulties we face on a day to day basis. Schools see us as there to serve their needs, which in a way we are, but we should almost be seen as external entities, paid to provide a service the school uses. They see the network as "theirs" without any consideration of what impact things they do have.

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinator

    We were in a similar situation in the past, but now... well, most of the time the ICT Co-ordinator just deals with curriculum stuff (if he interferes I just ignore him lol).
    With regard to what's allowed on the network... students have a 200mb disk quota and can't run exe or zips. I've not blocked MP3s as students in music to need them.
    Everyone has filtering; staff and students (students far more strict).
    There is some eating and drinking in ICT suites by staff - but not allowed by students.
    I am slowly chipping away at staff rights on computers - theyr're soon to lose local admin rights and any access to drive C and software installations.
    The sooner staff (teaching staff) see that they have responsibilities to the integrity of the school's network, just like the students, the better.
    As others have said, ensure that there is an AUP that students AND staff have signed and agreed to.

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    @richie
    If things are that difficult at a faith school then the rest of us are doomed

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinator

    I guess I am in a fortunate position in that I go around many schols and can see different styles of ICT setups and working arrangements. What seems clear to me from these visits and it appears echoed in this thread, is that things work best when staff with different roles work together and recognise the responsibilities, skills and expertise of each other.

    In our modern schools things are constantly changing; sometimes slowly, sometimes too fast. These constant changes mean that people's roles and responsibilities also change. Several years ago, the roles of network manager or network technician did not exist in schools and those roles were carried out by the ICT co-ordinator (who was also a full time teacher and probably had responsibility for other AV aids). I'd guess that maybe some ICT co-ordinators have difficulty in letting go of previous roles and focusing upon ICT as a curriculum tool (which I'd suggest should be the role of an ICT co-ordinator).

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    Quote Originally Posted by steele_uk
    1.)Students eating at PC's in classrooms is acceptable when there is a lunch time club.
    We say... IT Labs are labs. It is not suitable for ANYONE to be eating in ANY lab at ANY time.

    2)That it is ok that they (ICT Co-Ordinator & other staff) have over 800MB of MP3's in their user area.
    Tough one this. Is this content legal? Are you responsible? Remove it if you are. This isn't a discussion point. Either it's 'legal' in which case it's a simple matter of how the organisation chooses to spend its resources (*all* of our staff and students get a quota, and within the terms of the AUP can spend it how they wish), or its not legal in which case it goes, end of discussion.

    3) That all teaching staff should know about unfiltered access and be shown how to access it.
    Yikes. Oh my goodness. NO ONE here, not even us in IT Support, has an unfiltered connection of any sort at any time.

    I could go on, this is just a brief outline of some of the issues i face daily.
    At the moment i am Line managed by the ICT Co-Ordinator, but i am fighting with the Bursar (who is on my side) that this structure is dated and that my responsibility is to the whole school, and that my ten years of experience and training should not be comprimised, and my decisions over-ruled by someone has no skills in the running of a network.
    We're line managed by a director, not by IT department head or anything like that. IF you're delivering a service across the whole organisation then you should be managed and funded at that level in the organisation.

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinator

    Quote Originally Posted by deerwood
    Several years ago, the roles of network manager or network technician did not exist in schools and those roles were carried out by the ICT co-ordinator (who was also a full time teacher and probably had responsibility for other AV aids). I'd guess that maybe some ICT co-ordinators have difficulty in letting go of previous roles and focusing upon ICT as a curriculum tool (which I'd suggest should be the role of an ICT co-ordinator).
    Thats has interested me for a while actually. I left secondary school back in 2002 and for the entire five years that I was there, the only technicians we ever saw were the RM technicians who occasionally nipped in to deal with the major network changes (very rare). We had about 90 computers across the school and one server. Any broken PCs were sent to a company to be repaired and any other general maintenance was carried out by the head of ICT (with help from a friend of mine and myself).

    I know that isn't an awful lot of computers, but a full time teacher being given that role? Where on earth did they get the time from?

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinator

    I know that isn't an awful lot of computers, but a full time teacher being given that role? Where on earth did they get the time from?
    I think you can guess the answer ...

    after school, lunch times, before school, weekends and school holidays. ... I guess ICT co-ordinators should be grateful that they have network managers and technicians (unless, of course they haven't got them!)

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    At my school the ICT Co-ordinator is responsible for what ICT is taught to the child, but the Network Manager (me) is responsible for making sure the computers work, and that the system is not being abused. Therefore, it is my responsiblity to make sure that no-one eats at the keyboards, that I am the one that monitors the internet access, and (my personal gripe) that the laptops have suitable battery life for the forthcoming lesson.

    It's important that both parties are aware of what each other are doing, but it would be wrong if I were to try and work out what should be taught during the lessons, and if the Co-ord monitored the traffic through the server.

    Maybe I'm just lucky.

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    any kind of mp3s are illegal on a network arnt they? because the mp3s can be accessed by other people on that network that didnt buy them, so in affect having mp3s on a network is like a intrernal version of limewire, witch is illegal, sharing copywrighted material

    and that about eating at computers, tell the co-ordinator that they can eat of the computers if he/she goes round after every session and cleans the equipment.

    and giving them unfiltered internet access, thats just a can of worms we have all at some point typed a url wrong or clicked on the wrong link through google and ended up on a site with a bird with her legs open lol, witch usually comes with about 100 popups with the same sort of material, imagine if this happend while the teacher was showing a class something on a whiteboard?

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    Quote Originally Posted by davyboi
    any kind of mp3s are illegal on a network arnt they? because the mp3s can be accessed by other people on that network that didnt buy them, so in affect having mp3s on a network is like a intrernal version of limewire, witch is illegal, sharing copywrighted material
    Not all would be illegal. If for example the pupils created their own composition / played their own instruments (i.e. in music) some audio sw has capability to save into mp3.

    Quote Originally Posted by davyboi
    and giving them unfiltered internet access, thats just a can of worms we have all at some point typed a url wrong or clicked on the wrong link through google and ended up on a site with a bird with her legs open lol, witch usually comes with about 100 popups with the same sort of material, imagine if this happend while the teacher was showing a class something on a whiteboard?
    Once saw in a primary school they were doing the food chain and wanted images for their work. cue google image searches for:

    blue tits, thrush, worms, black bird, etc. All good.

    Lettuce on the other hand..... never seen such an interesting place to plant one.

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_K_81

    Once saw in a primary school they were doing the food chain and wanted images for their work. cue google image searches for:

    blue tits, thrush, worms, black bird, etc. All good.

    Lettuce on the other hand..... never seen such an interesting place to plant one.
    lol its allways the words youd least expect isnt it ive had a few, cant remeber them off the top of my head, i think one was dolls, another was rat man i think,
    the best part about it was the 1st time it happened the ict coordinator put a job in the book asking if we could contact google and ask them to remove the pornographic images from the search! ill just give them a call now shall i? haha

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    Re: Job Responsibilities - Network Manager V ICT Co-Ordinato

    Most ICT Co-ordinators at schools I've worked at haven't got a clue.

    E.g. Come blustering into the office because some teacher has planned their whole lesson around a website and the website is down - "what can we do about it?"

    Start spluttering etc when you say you want to buy a new switch or server - "but we've already got thoses and curriuclum will suffer as we can't buy more PCs to make our classrooms look good or to brag to other schools about how many computers we have" - regardless of the fact that the server/switch is either outmoded or failing.

    A program doesn't have the functionality that they we're expecting - can you fix it?

    I could go on and on!

    It makes sense for schools to have someone technically minded in charge of ICT tech support and development and leave the ICT Co-ordinator to sort out the curriculum - thankfully that's the situation I am in.

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