How do you do....it? Thread, Print Credits, how mean are you. in Technical; Most of ours are Colour Lasers.
All the printers are paused by default so students can't print when they like, ...
23rd April 2010, 12:11 AM #16
Most of ours are Colour Lasers.
All the printers are paused by default so students can't print when they like, staff have to allow the jobs. - No limits on print jobs
Staff no limit also. The department pays for paper and toner so they see fit how they use it
Last edited by FN-GM; 23rd April 2010 at 12:13 AM.
23rd April 2010, 09:33 AM #17
We are to open and it has cost us loads last year.
Each student gets 500 credits, each staff member 1000 and some are unlimited, but mainly admin computers.
Only networked printers deduct credits, the standalone ones dont.
A mono costs 6 credit, a colour 20. If a student runs out, they just ask for more and get it, normally another 200, depending on what they are printing.
Last years toners costs us the price of a very nice car, so this year we are looking at turning off the colour printers altogether and only turning them on when being asked for them, this will have to come via staff and be for a very good reason. I am all for it and when we explain to staff the reason, i am sure they will understand.
23rd April 2010, 09:46 AM #18
Our 'policy' is 200 credits per week here for students - 5 per mono (40 pages), 20 per colour (10 pages). If a student runs out they simply come and ask for more and they get another 200 without questions asked.
Personally, I don't see the point of using printer credits if we give users more as and when without any squabbles - all it does is waste my time from having pupils come hassle me for more. But I can't change this as the boss has put this in place.
23rd April 2010, 09:50 AM #19
Not quite. Kids got a resounding £0.00 and had to justify to the teacher and myself why their work should be printed. I also had a script set up to say that anything more than 40% colour on a page meant that it wasn't printed, as that was overkill and a waste of ink. Also if they justified it and then subsequently went and printed something else (as the case has been before), we sent an email home or phoned home asking for the cost of the paper (10p per page) as it was wasted and against our environmental policy.
Originally Posted by K.C.Leblanc
Now though we removed all but 6 printers in the whole school (coming down from 27) and the kids cant print at all. They send their finalised work via the VLE/VLP (whatever you wish to call it)
23rd April 2010, 09:53 AM #20
Originally Posted by Hightower
We do the same here but I still think it works as if a student is printing loads then it comes to our attention and we can actually charge them for more if they're shown to be wasteful on multiple occasions. It also prevents anyone printing hundreds of pages maliciously or as a 'joke' on someone else’s account when they aren't looking etc
We also prevent staff printing more than 5 copies of a document to stop them using our printers instead of the photo copier when preparing resources.
23rd April 2010, 10:02 AM #21
We give students a print balance of £6 per week, reset every monday. Staff have unlimited quotas unless a subject dept head demands otherwise. Our goal is not to prevent a student from printing essential work, but to manage waste.
PCounter is set to charge at A4 monochrome 2p A3 Monochrome 4p A4 Colour 60p A3 Colour £1.20.
Our finance dept bills curriculum depts for staff printing at the same rate; this had a dramatic effect on cutting down waste after a few dept heads got some serious bills .....
We do get GCSE students (Media, Art, Technology) who regularly exceed their quota & have to come and ask for more. Generally we have a quick look at their print history before giving them more credit. At certain times of the year (when portfolios need printing) we may increase the weekly amount for target groups of students.
23rd April 2010, 10:15 AM #22
We found half-termly quotas to be more appropriate than weekly ones, as printing often goes in bursts, especially for upper years - they would spend weeks writing coursework and printing very little, then in one week print 20 pages out. May review this again some time though.
K-9 get 60 pages/half term
10-13 get 150 pages/half term
Staff get 200 pages/half term (SLT and HODs get more)
When pupils run out, we will always issue more credits, but will look at printing history and speak to "print offenders". Now that people know we monitor printing, we don't get nearly as much full-page colour prints of Robert Pattinson; our wastage comes from people printing things out then spotting errors and re-printing. Staff who run out have typically been using the printers as photocopiers, possibly more so recently with reduced departmental budgets and printing paid for by me, thus making it "free".
If you don't have anything in place at present, I would advise strongly against what others have suggested of monitoring your current throughput and allocating accordingly, as this won't train people to print efficiently and will achieve nothing. When we first introduced credits, we gave 150/half term and lots of people ran out; we now give 60/half term and people rarely run out.
23rd April 2010, 11:05 AM #23
We use Print Manager plus and allow 5 prints per week - lower school, 20 upper school and 100 6th form. If they need more they can come to the help desk and request it but have to explain why. When we first introduced this there was a huge decrease in waste printing - stuff just left lying on the printer but now they are much more careful with it. Staff have unlimited credit but departments pay for their own office toner and photocopying. It's only if they are really mean and use the library or IT room printers that they aren't charged but we can spot it in the reports if it's happening regularly
23rd April 2010, 11:12 AM #24
What are your Sixth Formers doing which means they need 100 pages a week?! Ours don't that in a month (yet you give your lower school half what we do!)
Originally Posted by Hecate
23rd April 2010, 11:24 AM #25
We're running Pcounter here, but believe it or not I've been told that I am not allowed to set quotas for staff or students as that would interfere with the learning process (!!). So all people on site are allowed to print as much off as they like.
Couple of things I have set in Pcounter though, no more than one copy of any document and any documents of the same name going through at the same time are blocked as well.
One nice little thing I've added as well, is to use the Pcounter "Document Name Pattern Matching" to block any documents containing the words "Document" and "Publication" as this forces everyone to save their work before printing. What we have found is that if people are printing out reams of waste, we can go back to their print history and pull up the name of the document they have printed (because they've been forced to save it) and use it as evidence for them to be charged for the waste that they have caused.
Our students don't appear to have worked out that once the document has been saved, they can simply nip into their home drive and delete it once they've finished printing it out hundreds of times :-)
23rd April 2010, 11:43 AM #26
Exactly the same here - just feeble management imho
Originally Posted by Iain.Faulkner
23rd April 2010, 11:45 AM #27
It's an ongoing battle that we keep having, been going on as long as I've been at this school.
Originally Posted by SpuffMonkey
23rd April 2010, 12:05 PM #28
That's rubbish. Giving them insufficient credits would interfere with their learning, but giving them a number which - when used responsibly - is enough to print their work is fine. You do need to give more credits if someone runs out, but there's no reason this can't come at the cost of a few pennies or a Stern Talking To (TM).
Originally Posted by Iain.Faulkner
23rd April 2010, 12:21 PM #29
I agree entirely.
Originally Posted by enjay
24th April 2010, 04:09 PM #30
- Rep Power
This subject is very close to my heart right now, I wish there was an easy answer. Before my time we had students going to staff to "recharge" their credit by paying money. If you consider the hourly rate of the staff member spent to process this you could come to the conclusion it's cheaper to just given them more credit to start with. They chose to get a kiosk which freed up staff members time.
Once I started I gave students a combined $100 allowance for the year combining Internet usage and printing (8c mono/50c colour). We installed Papercut MF and found the kiosk was used only by a small percentage of students late into the year. Staff have unlimited credit but reporting highlights abuse. I noted someone was planning on having staff select which KLA the printing would go to, I did the same. But the backlash was HUGE, the 1 extra step for selecting a KLA was hated and even the Finance department who originally wanted it soon asked for it to be removed.
So now I have a kiosk costing the school $5000/year which is hardly used. The vendor wants us to move to a new unit but this will be closer to $10000/year. In my mind I could increase student credit and come out well ahead without the kiosk. The alternative to decrease the credit and have the kiosk used a lot more would help cover the increased cost but none of the money would go to the school.
I will keep reading peoples posts to see if there is a better way (suitable to my school).
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